Topic: Advice needed: cascading replacements/upgrades
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It looks like I need to replace my harmonic balancer. The rubber ring is protruding quite a bit in one spot and it's at least close to rubbing on the timing chain cover.
So it looks like I could take the water pump off (too bad - it's brand new) and then just replace the balancer. Seems relatively straightforward, correct? No need to remove the radiator?
Now, I could go through with this repair and easily stop there. But did that with the water pump and now look where I am. Since I am there already, seems like this would be a good time to replace the timing set (75K miles on '76 L-48, 4spd). But....this involves dropping the pan, no? And if I drop the pan then I'm probably going to want to replace the oil pump, pickup, and probably the rear main seal??? Anything else?
Now the real question, and I think I know the answer. If I replace the timing set should I go big and upgrade the cam? Dumb question alert: Can that even be done in the car? Is it prudent to put a new cam in an old motor? Probably involves a radiator removal if so (been there, done that). Now, iff this sequence is carried out to full fruition then it seems like an engine removal may be advantageous. Too bad I don't have the room or a hoist. And even if I did, why would I put a 180 horse L-48 back in?? Yikes
...this is starting to get scary. Think I'd better just go to bed now. 


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I repalced mine without taking the water pump off. I removed the fan and pulley. There was lots of room to get the puller/installer in there because of the angle the radiator is at. I also replaced the seal.
That being said, it sounds to me like you have the "while-I'm-at-it" thing going. Time to pull the motor and do it all. 

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The balancer can be changed with the water pump installed. The timing set cannot, tho.
You can sneak the timing cover off the front without dropping the pan, but it's a major pain, and you stand a big chance of a leak if you haven't done it many times, and know the subtle tricks of getting it back on. Dropping the pan on a Corvette is waaaay easier than doing the timing cover twice(or more) because it leaked.
So...I'd say drop the pan, replace the timing gears/chain(with a true roller design), maybe think about replacing the oil pump with a high volume pump, install a new balancer, and be done with it.
I wouldn't toy with the rear main seal at this point unless it is already leaking...
You can sneak the timing cover off the front without dropping the pan, but it's a major pain, and you stand a big chance of a leak if you haven't done it many times, and know the subtle tricks of getting it back on. Dropping the pan on a Corvette is waaaay easier than doing the timing cover twice(or more) because it leaked.
So...I'd say drop the pan, replace the timing gears/chain(with a true roller design), maybe think about replacing the oil pump with a high volume pump, install a new balancer, and be done with it.
I wouldn't toy with the rear main seal at this point unless it is already leaking...

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Thanks for the advice, guys. I'm glad I found out that I can do the balancer without taking the water pump off. I may do only that for now, but if I get ambitious over the winter I'll drop the pan and replace the timing gear and oil pump like Joel suggests. The rear main seal does leak a bit (don't they all
), but it's not a bad leak so I can probably get away with it for awhile.

The fact that no one responded about a cam upgrade leads me to believe that that course of action is probably just not going to be worth it for now..... But is it possible to do that with the motor in the car? Are there concerns with using old cam bearings with a new cam?
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I am going to be doing the harmonic balancer thing to my 81 this summer. Got 124,000 miles on her now. If it ain't broke, no need to fix it, I say.
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It is possible to replace the cam in the car, but it is probably as much extra work as just pulling the engine and being able to get at everything and replace all the gaskets and rear main seal. And if you replace the cam, you either need to go with a low RPM torque cam or replace the heads to increase air flow. In which case maybe you should replace the pistons to raise the compression, then maybe.......
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[QUOTE=daveo76]The rear main seal does leak a bit (don't they all
), but it's not a bad leak so I can probably get away with it for awhile.
What you think is a rear main leak may well be the oil pan leaking....which can be corrected while you have the pan off doing the other stuff. The rear main can be changed in the car, but it involves loosening all of the main cap bolts, and letting the crank drop down a bit. That gives a little more clearance to sneak the seal out from the top saddle, as well as the clearance needed to re-install the new seal without buggering it up...which will make it leak...still...
I wouldn't fool with a cam swap on a stock L-48...the results aren't worth the effort. The cam can be swapped with the engine in the car, but you'll have to remove the radiator, and dang-near remove the A/C condenser, and well as the intake manifold. Removing the hood is better, too.

The fact that no one responded about a cam upgrade leads me to believe that that course of action is probably just not going to be worth it for now..... But is it possible to do that with the motor in the car? Are there concerns with using old cam bearings with a new cam?
[/QUOTE]What you think is a rear main leak may well be the oil pan leaking....which can be corrected while you have the pan off doing the other stuff. The rear main can be changed in the car, but it involves loosening all of the main cap bolts, and letting the crank drop down a bit. That gives a little more clearance to sneak the seal out from the top saddle, as well as the clearance needed to re-install the new seal without buggering it up...which will make it leak...still...

I wouldn't fool with a cam swap on a stock L-48...the results aren't worth the effort. The cam can be swapped with the engine in the car, but you'll have to remove the radiator, and dang-near remove the A/C condenser, and well as the intake manifold. Removing the hood is better, too.
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