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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (2/12)
 9/11/18 9:28am
73shark
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I think the solenoid is supposed to extend as soon as you turn the key to the Run position and open the throttle blades slightly to the idle speed. If the accelerator pump and choke are working properly on the Quadrajet, one pump should be enough for a cold start. At least that's been my experience on the several Quadrajet equipped cars I've owned.

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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (3/12)
 9/11/18 11:32am
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It's been my experience with my anti-dieseling solenoid (which I use as a a/c compressor idle bump up solenoid) that it isn't strong enough to actually move the throttle linkage but is strong enough to hold it open once actuated.
So you turn the key on and pump the throttle to actuate the choke, and that also lets the solenoid pop out to where it should be.



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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (4/12)
 9/11/18 12:14pm
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Good point. I forgot about that. I also use the solenoid as an idle speed increase for the A/C. I should have remembered that since I installed the A/C from a wrecked '73 myself.

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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (5/12)
 9/11/18 12:32pm
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I agree wid Gary on this one...turn key on, then pump the throttle to set the solenoid(and the choke).
There are actually two different designs on these solenoids, and they both have different functions, design-wise. One is used to kick the throttle up with A/C engagement, and the other is more intended to be the anti-diesel, or throttle stop function. The anti-diesel solenoid's function is to hold open the throttle blades slightly once extended, so the throttle blades do not completely close. This is a result of Gov'ment emissions requirements. Emissions go sky high if/when the throttle is allowed to completely closed on deceleration. Holding the throttle open slightly keeps the emissions within the required limits. Of course...an open throttle tends to promote dieseling on a hot engine when the key is turned off, so it(the solenoid) looses power with the key off, returning the throttle blades to almost completely closed.
The other type solenoid, known as a "kicker", is designed to actually raise the engine rpm as the A/C is engaged, so this requires a solenoid capable of actually moving the throttle linkage....which most are not strong enough to do anymore. Seems the only type of solenoid available today is the weaker, anti-sneezle solenoid....which will require you to hold the throttle open a smidge after the key is turned on for it to hold the linkage at the pre-set rpm range.


While we're at it, if the choke is functioning properly, it should set the throttle on "high idle" the first time you press the pedal anyway. After that, the solenoid will have the idle speed duty.


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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (6/12)
 9/11/18 4:59pm
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I forgot to mention that I have swapped from the Quadrajet to a new Holley Carburetor with electric choke. There is a generic Holley solenoid being used as the anti dieseling solenoid. The solenoid is actuated via a relay when there is power going to the coil.
 
The Holley Solenoid is not capable of pushing the throttle just holding it from my reading.
 
As long as power is on, then the solenoid tries to actuate, as F4Gary mentioned power on and setting fast idle should actuate the solenoid and I can crank with my foot off the accelerator.
 
With the electric choke, I am guessing that is running off the accessory circuit? i.e. as long as the key is in the ignition it runs current to the electric choke to keep it open.
Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (7/12)
 9/11/18 11:16pm
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Make sure you have a full 12 volts going to the electric choke.  I'm actually using the old anti diesel solenoid wire since my solenoid is not powered by the a/c clutch circuit.

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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (8/12)
 9/11/18 11:35pm
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The choke definitely opens fully, so it would be getting the full 12V?
Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (9/12)
 9/11/18 11:47pm
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I'd recommend measuring it with a VOM and not take a chance. If you don't have one, Harbor Freight has coupons for them periodically for free with another purchase. No minimum on the other purchase either.

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Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (10/12)
 9/12/18 12:01am
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I was also wondering is high idle is totally independent of curb idle? i.e. changing curb idle shouldn't affect how much the blades open for fast idle.
Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (11/12)
 9/12/18 12:02am
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73shark said: I'd recommend measuring it with a VOM and not take a chance. If you don't have one, Harbor Freight has coupons for them periodically for free with another purchase. No minimum on the other purchase either.


I have one at home, so I can check that
Re: Anti Diesel Solenoid and starting (12/12)
 9/12/18 1:17am
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Curb idle is independent of the fast idle which is controlled by the choke.

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