Home page
SPONSOR AD

Topic: balancer help

in Forum: C3 Engines

balancer help

Posted: 2/6/11 7:04pm Message 1 of 27
Profile Pic
Standard Member
Send PM
Vancouver, WA - USA
Joined: 8/25/2005
Posts: 869
Vette(s): 1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.
 Thought I'd post what's bugging me while watching the game....  I can't get my balancer to go on.  I greased it up real well, started it on by hand making sure the woodruff key was lined up, and then tapped it on a bit more with a tape covered hammer.  Then I put the bolt and big thick round washer in and I thought I'd use my impact wrench to get it on the rest of the way.  No go with that.  Then I put a rod in one of the holes of the flywheel (starter's out) to lock the engine and started torquing that bolt by hand.  I started using my 18" breaker bar and then had to upgrade that with a cheater pipe.  I think the bolt is stripped out now and I'm hoping I didn't screw up the crank.  Also the thick round washer is dished out now.  My plan is to get some new bolts (one a bit longer than what I've been using) and I'll use the plate from the puller I used to get the old one off as the "washer"  (wish I'd have done that before).  Is this the right tactic or do I need to get the Censored thing off and start over - maybe even with a different balancer?  

Where can I get that replacement washer - will parts stores be able to get that for me?  

Every time I work on this car I learn something, make that many things -- some from you guys and some the "hard way".  Thanks for the help.  

Dave




 

1976 Silver/Firethorn.  L48, 4spd.  Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.
SPONSOR AD:: (Our Sponsors help support C3VR)

balancer help

Posted: 2/6/11 8:27pm Message 2 of 27
Profile Pic
Lifetime MemberLifetime Member
Moderator
Send PM
Duncanville, TX - USA
Joined: 11/8/2003
Posts: 20214
Vette(s): #1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas
The balancer should not be that tough to get on...but you prolly knew that. I would NOT try to put it on any further. I'd take it back off and determine what the problem is.
Is this a new balancer?
Is it correct for a 350?
Why is it off to start with?

I think I would get it back off, and do some measuring to determine if the inside diameter of the balancer is to small...and make sure the crankshaft snout is not rusty, or "buggered up" in any way.
Something stinks in Denmark....



Joel Adams
C3VR Lifetime Member #56    

My Link


(click for Texas-sized view!)
             NCRS

"Money can't buy happiness -- but somehow it's more comforting to cry in a CORVETTE than in a Kia"

balancer help

Posted: 2/6/11 8:31pm Message 3 of 27
Profile Pic
Former Member
Send PM
York, PA - USA
Joined: 5/18/2010
Posts: 1518
Vette(s): 1969 daytona conv. all original 350 350 380 4 sp w/air..and hard top
Sounds like you should have just watched the game and forgot about working on the car!..I hate crap that should be very simple like this that have the potential for disaster..so stop the install process now..remove the balancer and start checking stuff..a small ratchet should be all you need to pull the balancer back on..18 inch long pry bar and a pipe also is just to much..you need a longer bolt..can't really use the stock one..not long enough..you also need to check the threads in the crank..please pray to the threads gods that its not damaged..chances are the key if off just a little and jammed..
Rich



My first parade at Carlisle 2010

balancer help

Posted: 2/6/11 8:32pm Message 4 of 27
Profile Pic
Former Member
Send PM
Oak Creek, WI - USA
Joined: 5/21/2008
Posts: 1965
Vette(s): 1981 Great White Shark. Red Interior, 350/190 hp. PS, PB (SS), A/C CC, T-Tops. Served three years in Active Duty Army, then Retired Air Force after 34 years! Badger State Vettes Car Club. 175,000 Original miles!! Now own a 1998 C-5!
I'm all ears for this one !!!!Exclamation


balancer help

Posted: 2/6/11 9:48pm Message 5 of 27
Profile Pic
Standard Member
Send PM
Vancouver, WA - USA
Joined: 8/25/2005
Posts: 869
Vette(s): 1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.
Thanks, guys.  I was pretty sure something was amiss.  Now I know for sure...  It's a brand new balancer and yes, it's for a 350.  It looked just like the old one, except it was black instead of orange.  I did notice, however, that it did not start on as easily as the old one.  (I used the old one to drive on the lower timing sprocket and it worked fine)  I took the balancer off because it's rubber ring was poking out and decided to do the pan, oil pump, timing chain etc. all at the same time.  

Yep, back to the garage for me on this one.  I'll take it off (hopefully) and assess the situation.  And I AM praying to the thread gods that those crank threads are OK.  




 

1976 Silver/Firethorn.  L48, 4spd.  Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.

balancer help

Posted: 2/6/11 10:52pm Message 6 of 27
Profile Pic
Lifetime MemberLifetime Member
Send PM
Red Lion, PA - USA
Joined: 10/27/2006
Posts: 1182
Vette(s): 1974 White 350 Corvette, TH400 Automatic 1972 Tangerine /Go Mango Convertible 383 Stroker, 2004r Automatic
Just from my experience when I went to put on my new balancer on my 350 last summer it wouldnt go. I went back to the guy that did the motor for me and he gave me an installer that out it right on. I forget what it was but I am going to see him either monday or tuesday and I will check with him. Is your balancer new? Mine was. it was super tight. I'll see what I can find out.
Rodney




balancer help

Posted: 2/8/11 12:18am Message 7 of 27
Profile Pic
Standard Member
Send PM
Vancouver, WA - USA
Joined: 8/25/2005
Posts: 869
Vette(s): 1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.
Thanks - yeah, I'd be interested in knowing about that tool.  I think my plan of using the plate from the puller should work fine -- I just need to get a longer bolt.  Glad to know I'm not the only one with the too tight balancer.  I'll get it off one evening this weekend (weekend at the latest) and see if I can figure out what's going on.  



 

1976 Silver/Firethorn.  L48, 4spd.  Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.

balancer help

Posted: 2/11/11 9:23am Message 8 of 27
Former Member
Send PM
Mounds View, MN - USA
Joined: 5/24/2007
Posts: 1031
Vette(s): 70 LT1 coupe, 69 350 HP coupe, 69 390HP 427 coupe, 71 LS5 convert, 85 coupe, 93 coupe
I have a balancer remover/installer.  It has a hardened stud that screws way in to the front of the crank.  Then a larger threaded shaft with a flange that lets you bolt it to the balancer, and a big nut to pull it on or off, depending on how you put it together..  Everything is hardened steel, and there are ball bearings to let the parts rotate easily.

That said, your new balancer should not go on so hard.  Assuming there was no paint inside, and you cleaned it with a Scotchbrite pad, I would take it back.

Larry



balancer help

Posted: 2/11/11 12:24pm Message 9 of 27
Lifetime MemberLifetime Member
Send PM
Equinunk, PA - USA
Joined: 10/31/2007
Posts: 2465
Vette(s): 1972 conv, 4-speed, 350, 200hp, numbers match, rally wheels, war bonnett yellow w/white top. good condition, nice driver.
Ouch  If all is Right with application, try some emery paper. A little fine tuneing should take enough off the surface to lighten the friction. ALSO, check the key and depth for fit. If the key is to tall you can not force the fit. Try fileing the height of it not width. 


balancer help

Posted: 2/12/11 6:23pm Message 10 of 27
Profile Pic
Standard Member
Send PM
Vancouver, WA - USA
Joined: 8/25/2005
Posts: 869
Vette(s): 1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.
Yep, it looks like it's back to the parts house for me.  Hope I can find that receipt....  I got the dang thing off and there's no damage to the bore or the key-way.  The key on the crank is OK, too.  I used emery paper on the crank and the bore of the balancer (even though I did that the first time), filed the key-way a bit, cleaned and greased everything up, and tried to pop it on.  (Longer bolt this time, too).  Still no-go -- way too tight.  



 

1976 Silver/Firethorn.  L48, 4spd.  Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.

in Forum: C3 Engines


SPONSOR AD: (Our Sponsors help support C3VR)