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Can’t get oil temp sensor into block

Posted: 4/26/06 5:43pm Message 1 of 9
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OK, I feel really sick about this problem.  My newly rebuilt engine is installed and most every accessory as well.  I thought I was only days from firing it up.  Then tonight when I went to install the oil temp sensor, just above the oil filter, it won't screw into the hole in the block.  The threads in the block don't look that bad, so I'm a little baffled, but its also hard to get a good look at them, since the engine is installed.  So, I compared the sensor to some bolts and pipe and the threads appear to be 1/4 NPT.  I tried and couldn't get the 1/4 NPT ftting to screw into theblock either.  Anyone know for sure that it is 1/4 NPT?  Any ideas other than buying a tap and cleaning up the threads?  I haven't done much work with taps before, so I'm wondering if I'll even be able to get the tap to start threading into the hole.  Thoughts?
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Can’t get oil temp sensor into block

Posted: 4/26/06 7:06pm Message 2 of 9
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First you need to ensure the tap threads are compatible with the threads on the sensor. The threads need to match exactly. The big problem will likely be having enough clearance to line up the tap with the boss you are attempting to clean up. You will need enough clearance to get a wrench or t-handle on the tap.
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Can’t get oil temp sensor into block

Posted: 4/26/06 7:28pm Message 3 of 9
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Are you sure you have the right part? The oil PRESSURE sensor should go in that hole, not a temp sensor. If the part you are trying to plug into that hole has a long(1/2" or so), smooth end on it, it is a temp sensor, and it will not go into that hole. The hole is not deep enough.
The hole is indeed a 1/4" thread, but it is a PIPE thread, different from a normal SAE type thread.
If your car is equiped with an oil temp gauge, then you should have an adaptor to install the sensor into. It would be a "T" type fitting, where the pressure sender unit would go into one side, and the temp sensor in the other.


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Can’t get oil temp sensor into block

Posted: 4/27/06 3:35am Message 4 of 9
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Joel, you're confirming my belief that it is the 1/4" NPT (pipe) threads, which is good.  That is also the threads on the sensor.  A'm also pretty sure it's the right sensor.  I do have an oil temp guage.  However, on the '81, the pressure sensor screws into the top of the block, just behind the back lip of the intake manifold.  The Oil temp sensor supposedly goes in this location just above the oil filter.




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Posted: 4/27/06 5:00am Message 5 of 9
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Well, ya learn something new every day, eh?!
Then you may very well have some screwed up(no pun intended) threads in the block. Get a tap & carefully screw it into the hole. it should go with a little resistance, but not a lot. Pipe threads are tapered, and the threads on the sensor are a little larger diameter at the rear than the front, which gives a good, snug seal. Try a tap first, but make sure your sensor threads are correct, too.


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Can’t get oil temp sensor into block

Posted: 4/27/06 11:23am Message 6 of 9
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 I think you'd want a thread to use a thread chaser, instead of a tap. Saves some meat on those threads of an old engine


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[QUOTE=chesh]

Joel, you're confirming my belief that it is the 1/4" NPT (pipe) threads, which is good.  That is also the threads on the sensor.  A'm also pretty sure it's the right sensor.  I do have an oil temp guage.  However, on the '81, the pressure sensor screws into the top of the block, just behind the back lip of the intake manifold.  The Oil temp sensor supposedly goes in this location just above the oil filter.

[/QUOTE]  Just what I was thinking from my 84 engine, pressure sender (bell shaped )to the driver side of distributor


Can’t get oil temp sensor into block

Posted: 4/28/06 8:16am Message 8 of 9
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Well, I was scared to death to try it, but I was running out of options, so I used a tap to clean-up the threads.  I was very relived to discover that worked like a charm and the sensor is now installed nice an snug.

By the way, I went to a strictly "Tool Store" to get the tap.  I asked him if he had both thread chasers and taps.  He said he'd never heard of a thread chaser and they didn't have them.  Can someone tell me the difference?




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Posted: 4/28/06 3:37pm Message 9 of 9
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A tap is for cutting new threads in a hole you have drilled. Most taps will tell you by way of engraving on them, what size drill bit to use for the hole. Taps are designed to cut threads in a blank hole and are very aggressive in doing it. A thread chaser on the other hand, is for a previously tapped hole that has some deformed thread, and are not so aggressive, and don't enlarge the existing hole.

Dave




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