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Car died today - no spark need help

Posted: 2/20/06 12:07am Message 11 of 21
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I had it once with my BMW. But there's a timing belt who needs replaced after 60.000 miles. And i thought better.... and yes, most valves where moon-shaped... But a timing chain , is there a limit on miles on it to replace ?


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Car died today - no spark need help

Posted: 2/20/06 12:20pm Message 12 of 21
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Norbert,

I had about 110,000 miles on mine when I replaced it. But from what I can tell my vette was not driven hard and I am the third owner. Here is what I did to determine that it need replacement. First, if you set your timing at idle, rev the engine up a little, then let off the throttle. If the timing drops below your set point or above it you could have a stretched timing chain. Or if you see the timing moving around while the engine is idling. This does assume your distributor advance is working properly. Another way is to remove your spark plugs and distributor cap. Turn the crank by hand counter clockwise until you see the rotor on the distributor move. Place a mark on the harmonic balancer and now turn the crank clockwise until the rotor starts to move. Measure the degrees the crank moves with no rotor movement. Anything more than 5 deg, you should look into replacing. I had around 10 deg on mine and the chain was pretty sloppy. Some of the master mechanics on here may have a better method or different range on the degrees.




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Posted: 2/20/06 4:43pm Message 13 of 21
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I've changed more than my fair share of timing chains, a lot on small block Chevys. I've never encountered a valve interferance problem. Let us know if you have on yours.

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Posted: 2/21/06 8:46pm Message 14 of 21
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I have been toying with the idea of more HP for some time now and I guess this will push me towards a decision. I am leaning towards pulling the engine, have a shop freshen the bottom end, new cam, new heads, new intake, new distributor, and new carb and lots more torque and oh yea new timing chain. Now to start the research on part combos, I know there were a handful of posts on the topic. It would be nice to reuse my existing matching numbers engine since I am limited on storage space but maybe it is time for a 383? Time to work up some cost options and beg my wife... again...

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Car died today - no spark need help

Posted: 2/21/06 9:05pm Message 15 of 21
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I've changed more than my fair share of timing chains, a lot on small block Chevys. I've never encountered a valve interferance problem. Let us know if you have on yours.


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Me either. Unless you're runnin a cam with some outrageous lift/duration, with domed pistons, it'll never happen on a Chev small block.


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Car died today - no spark need help

Posted: 2/22/06 10:26am Message 16 of 21
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So am I understanding that it is likely that the only damage may be to change the timing chain and no damage to heads? Is there a way to assess the extent of the damage (open valve covers?) before digging in deep. My point is that if it is only a timing chain I may attempt myself. But if the heads have damage, I want the cam and everything else changed out at the same time (send out to a shop).


 
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Posted: 2/22/06 11:05am Message 17 of 21
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reading this i even start wondering why i doubted about changing my timing chain...(maybe because it has a low mileage if i can believe the papers that came with my car)

anyway.. always a good thing to read about other's experiences or problems

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Posted: 2/22/06 3:29pm Message 18 of 21
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Posted: 2/22/06 6:35pm Message 19 of 21
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[QUOTE=FLA VETTE] So am I understanding that it is likely that the only damage may be to change the timing chain and no damage to heads? [/QUOTE]

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Car died today - no spark need help

Posted: 2/24/06 6:07am Message 20 of 21
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Thanks for all the great advise guys. I am going to need to sleep on this one for a week or two to decide if I am going to just get her back to where she was or use this oppertunity for some hefty torque/HP improvements.


 
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