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engine pinging

Posted: 9/23/06 8:55am Message 11 of 50
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I found some octane booster at Napa that was 104.  I added it to a full tank and drove about 30 miles.  Seemed to help a bit.  But I added it to a tank that was half 93 and half 89.  So maybe driving some more through will help.  And I'll look for some higher grade octane booster.  I think you are correct that the carb may need a good mechanic who knows the Rochesters to look at it.  We replaced the gaskets and such with a rebuild kit from Corvette Central.  One thing at a time.  Thanks again.


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Posted: 9/26/06 8:49am Message 12 of 50
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you may want to replace your mechanical advance springs
 
when those little springs get worn out you get too much advance too quick and it causes pinging.
 
IDLE timing doesnt mean much, total timing does.



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Posted: 9/26/06 7:07pm Message 13 of 50
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Thanks, I'll check the advance springs.  I took the car out for a nice long drive yesterday and it seems better.  Anything I can do to make it run better and to it's full potential.


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Posted: 9/26/06 7:49pm Message 14 of 50
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What does "pinging" mean or what does it sound like?  Like the lifters?  Don't laugh, I'm just trying to learn and understand.


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Posted: 9/26/06 8:06pm Message 15 of 50
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Sounds like he has a case of spark knock .
  Can you find an airport somewhere that will sell you 10 or 15 gallons of "off road" 100 octane?  I read all the posts so far and at 11 to 1 you will have to run min. 93 and as crappy as the gas is now, you will need octane boost with it.  In the world of bad gas most people seem to be lowering the compression ratios and opting for other avenues of horsepower.   You might have a few more things to tweak to get this thing dialed in but it sounds like the biggest problem is the fuel. My Jeep has  a high ratio and I run 112 to 114 oct. when I can get it . It spark knocks something awful on  pump gas to the point of lowering the timing to compensate.





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Posted: 9/27/06 9:01am Message 16 of 50
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First this "he" is a "she" and my pinging is a knocking noise.  The pistons knocking I believe, has to do with spark detonation if I'm understanding correctly.  I know the newer performance engines have knock sensors that retard the timing as needed to compensate for lower octane and poor quality fuels.  I'm no expert I am just very interested in how the car works and getting it to run so I can enjoy it.  No offense taken about the "he" term though there aren't many women who are corvette lovers and also are interested in the mechanics of their vehicles.  I haven't met a single one and I go to all the shows and cruises.  But at least you don't think my vette looks like a girl car like my husband doesLOL, because of the color he says.  But I believe that when I put the 89 octane in I might have also gotten some poor gas.  My thought is that I will put 93 in, that is the highest I can find locally, and add octane boost or higher octane if I can get it.  Does anyone know or have an opinion on which brand of octane booster works best???  I'm told that someone in my area sells 110 octane gas.  There is a race track near so perhaps I can ask around and find some.  Then I will mess with and adjust the timing accordingly.  Thanks again.


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Posted: 9/27/06 6:57pm Message 17 of 50
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[QUOTE=greypoupon69] What does "pinging" mean or what does it sound like?  Like the lifters?  Don't laugh, I'm just trying to learn and understand.[/QUOTE]

"Pinging" is just what was described above, "she" or not!! It is the result of the ignition firing too soon(timing/cylinder pressure)), or improper fuel grade(low octane). Octane is a chemical that helps to reduce/eliminate pinging, or spark knock. The more there is, the less "knock/ping" you will have, at a given timing setting, and compression ratio. There are others here that can explain this better than I(Ken).
Anyway, the sound itself is similar to taking a hammer to the engine block...really fast! It is basically the pistons "hammering" inside the cylinders. It can be confused with a lifter noise, but, Pinging is normally only heard while you're driving down the road, and lifters you can normally only hear at idle.
Does that help? If not, brang that gold thang over here some day, and I'll advance the timing so you can hear what it sounds like.


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Posted: 9/28/06 8:31am Message 18 of 50
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I too am trying to learn, it is a constant process.  When you describe it as premature ignition firing it makes me giggleLOL, sorry I can't help it. 
 
It is very helpful to have the C3VR forums to post questions and issues.  Especially since everyone has a different way of explaining things.  It helps me to learn and understand about my vette to read all the opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.  I try to do as much work to it as I can.  I'm happy to find out that my pinging problem is a result of poor fuel.  When it first occured I was afraid it was something more serious.  So thanks again all.Thumbs%20Up



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Posted: 9/28/06 11:12am Message 19 of 50
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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]"Pinging" is just what was described above, "she" or not!! It is the result of the ignition firing too soon(timing/cylinder pressure)), or improper fuel grade(low octane). Octane is a chemical that helps to reduce/eliminate pinging, or spark knock. The more there is, the less "knock/ping" you will have, at a given timing setting, and compression ratio. There are others here that can explain this better than I(Ken).
Anyway, the sound itself is similar to taking a hammer to the engine block...really fast! It is basically the pistons "hammering" inside the cylinders. It can be confused with a lifter noise, but, Pinging is normally only heard while you're driving down the road, and lifters you can normally only hear at idle.
Does that help? If not, brang that gold thang over here some day, and I'll advance the timing so you can hear what it sounds like. [/QUOTE] Yeah, that's a very good explaination!  Thank you, Gomer!  I'm hearin' a "tick tick", so it's lifters. Dead Shocked


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Posted: 9/28/06 3:44pm Message 20 of 50
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That's just the clock Micki.


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