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Hello All - I found some numbers while cleaning under the hood and was wondering if anyone could help decode:
- Back of block by firewall on drivers side: 3970010
- On manifold behind carb at cap: 3997771 gm2 (?)
- Underneath cap and rotor very hard to make out: c163 (?)
How can you tell if the engine is original to the car?
Thanks in advance!
- Back of block by firewall on drivers side: 3970010
- On manifold behind carb at cap: 3997771 gm2 (?)
- Underneath cap and rotor very hard to make out: c163 (?)
How can you tell if the engine is original to the car?
Thanks in advance!
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Jason - not sure about the c-163 you found in the distributor, but the other two are the GM casting or part numbers for the engine block and the intake manifold. The good news is that both numbers are correct for a '73 small block.
If you look a little closer you will find a few more letters and numbers on the intake right near the 7771 number. It will be a letter and a few numbers that tell you the casting date of the part. My intake which is the same P/N as yours has a L52 cast into the intake indicating it was made on Dec. 5th, 1972. (A= Jan., B=Feb., etc.)
The same type of casting date can be found on the engine block in a similar position you where you found the 0010 casting number only its on the passenger side towards the top of the block. My block has an L42 casting date indicating it was made on Dec. 4th, 1972.
Your question regarding the originality of the engine starts with numbers like these, but the defining piece of information can be found on the flat surface or pad on the top of the engine block just below the valve cover and in front of the passenger side head of the motor. Here's a shot of mine, pretty grungy because it was taken the day a bought my car and one of the first things I checked before buying it.

The first nine smaller digits you see are the same as the last nine numbers of the VIN of my car. They were stamped there in the factory to match up with the frame and body stamped with those same numbers. Those are the first indicators of a "numbers matching" or original engine, but that is just the start.
In addition to the VIN numbers you see the larger digits of V1206CLR. V1206 indicates the motor was assembled in the Flint MI. plant on Dec. 6th. Small block C3 motors were assembled in Flint, Big block motors were assembled Tonawanda NY. and have a T as their first digit. CLR is the engine suffix code indicating 350 cu. in., 250 HP, mt - which is the correct suffix for my car which is an L82 4 speed.
So now you have the beginning of a very long story called "numbers matching". First - does the VIN on the block match the last nine of your VIN number and title ?? Does the engine suffix match up with the engine and transmission options of your car ?? And third, do the dates line up. Where the parts cast before the engine was built ?? It's a little hard to have them cast after !!
The story continues with many addition parts of your car. The last nine of the VIN is also found on your transmission case. Like the engine, it is the first indicator of originality. Many part number's, casting dates and other date codes are part of the story.
Take a look at your motor, clean the top of the engine pad and read the numbers stamped there. Hopefully you will find the right information to start you off. A base motor 350 with automatic, non-California emissions should CLA engine suffix. Hit the internet and you'll find lot's of information on the rest of the numbers matching story. You can also find much of the same information contained in the posts of this forum by using the "search" function. Let us know if there is anything you get stuck on.
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How cool that you can figure out all the way down to the date the car was assembled by decoding these numbers!!
Thank you for the information and what/where to look for more. Going under the hood today and will try to search for more numbers! This is like being a detective! :)
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in the state of conn have to show 5 vin numbers,eng,trans,frame,windshield piller,inspector stopped at 4 said that enough I got my res plus have vid title alls well here in conn.in florida I had to bring car for vin check with a valied tidle alls well in fla dwa.

Ok found something awesome!
My VIN # is: 1Z37J3S418986
The numbers stamped onto the block on passenger side in front of the head are: 13S418986
(I think the "1" is supposed to be a "J"...but it really looks like a "1" on the block.)
Looks like I have a matching numbers car?! Woo Hoo!!
Back of block passenger side by firewall looks like C80, but it nearly impossible to decipher.
Unfortunately the extra numbers stamped by the 0010 number beneath the driver's side valve cover right behind carb are impossible to see or get to.
My VIN # is: 1Z37J3S418986
The numbers stamped onto the block on passenger side in front of the head are: 13S418986
(I think the "1" is supposed to be a "J"...but it really looks like a "1" on the block.)
Looks like I have a matching numbers car?! Woo Hoo!!
Back of block passenger side by firewall looks like C80, but it nearly impossible to decipher.
Unfortunately the extra numbers stamped by the 0010 number beneath the driver's side valve cover right behind carb are impossible to see or get to.
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The C163 on the block behind the distributor is the casting date of the engine block....March 16, 1973.

This is the day the engine block was cast....NOT when the engine was assembled. The block would still need machining before assembly, then it would be shipped to the assembly plant for final assembly, which could have been a couple of days, or weeks....or more.
13S418986
The "1" in your partial VIN is definitely a "J", which tells us it is an L-48 engine.
3= 1973 year model
S= St. Louis assembly plant
4= check digit...means nothing(well, it does, but not for our purposes)
18986 is your sequential build number, meaning the 18,986th Corvette built for the 1973 model year.

This is the day the engine block was cast....NOT when the engine was assembled. The block would still need machining before assembly, then it would be shipped to the assembly plant for final assembly, which could have been a couple of days, or weeks....or more.
13S418986
The "1" in your partial VIN is definitely a "J", which tells us it is an L-48 engine.
3= 1973 year model
S= St. Louis assembly plant
4= check digit...means nothing(well, it does, but not for our purposes)
18986 is your sequential build number, meaning the 18,986th Corvette built for the 1973 model year.
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Thank you for the diagram, Adam! Definitely printing that out for reference!
Here is the best pic I could get of the numbers. It's a "4" and to me, what should be a "J" looks like a "1". Is this not normal? Or are they just too close in appearance? But you are correct, the engine is an L48!

Here is the best pic I could get of the numbers. It's a "4" and to me, what should be a "J" looks like a "1". Is this not normal? Or are they just too close in appearance? But you are correct, the engine is an L48!
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Jason, don't worry about the 1 and the J, I believe all of the engine stamps started with a 1 and did not match the letter in the VIN. My engine stamp starts with the same 13S while my VIN reads T3S. So beyond the VIN stamping, what other numbers did you find ?? Those should be a slightly larger font starting with a V then 3 or 4 digits which are your engine build date. That should be followed by a three letter code indicating your eng/trans option.
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Thanks VMan, for the reassurance regarding the "1" and the "J".
The other set of numbers I found, the larger font, is as follows: V032 CLC. between the 2 and the C, there is an etching that looks like a square. Not a zero but to me looks like a square.
I also found back by the firewall passenger side, what looks like C80. Impossible to tell for sure though...
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Interesting, the V is correct for Flint, the 032 may indicate a March 2nd, 1973 engine build date, but I think the zero or square you mention between the 2 and the C in CLC might make it 0320 or a March 20th, 1973 build date. Looking at mine they clearly stamped 06 to indicate the 6th of Dec., I would think March 2nd would read 0302 but I could be wrong. The CLC suffix is correct for a 1973 350 cu.in., 190hp, at, ce which means your car was built originally built for California Emmisions, perhaps you have an original CA car !! Do you have any history on where the car came from ?? While we're at it, take a look at your body trim tag (right next to drivers side top hinge with door open). There should be three sets of numbers, the first is a three digit code that indicates the interior trim type and color, the second indicates the original exterior color, the third is in the top right corner and indicates the month and day of the body build date. That may give us another clue if your engine is a March 2nd or March 20th car. My body build date seven days after my engine build date.
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