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guide plate question

Posted: 4/21/03 10:03pm Message 1 of 4
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Hi All,

I am in the process of upgrading my rockers to GM self aligning roller rockers. I am having a clearance problem between the guide plates and the pushrods. I'm pretty sure the hardened guideplates have to go, but I'm unsure if I should:

1) screw the studs back into the heads directly. (Aluminum AFR 190's)

2) put a hardened washer under the studs.

3) or put a set of non-hardened guide plates (for self aligning stamped rockers) under the studs...

I tried the non-hardened guides as a trial, but it still seems tight between the pushrod and the guide with the rocker seated on the valve...

Do we have any gear-heads out there???


Thanks in advance,

Greg.


Greg S. '80 Frost Beige 383 w/ TPIS MiniRAM AFR 190's Holley Commander ECM 700R4 w/ 3.73's
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guide plate question

Posted: 4/22/03 11:51am Message 2 of 4
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You don't need the guide plates with self aligning rockers, in fact as you found, they interfere with each other. I also wonder why you are using self-aligning rockers anyway? They were introduced to compensate for lack of a machined pushrod slot in the later heads, but the ARPs have them, don't they? As far as installing the studs, as an engineer I say put a hardened washer under the stud to protect the aluminum. But you should really contact ARP for their recommendation, as well as ask about the rockers. JoeI


guide plate question

Posted: 4/22/03 4:06pm Message 3 of 4
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Thanks for the info, Joe. The roller rockers are from my previous set of heads, which is why I kept them. The AFR's came to me pre-assembled with the guideplates, and I just wanted to be sure it was OK to remove them.

I have an extra set of Head bolt washers here that should work fine, and not gall the surface.

Thanks again,

Greg.


Greg S. '80 Frost Beige 383 w/ TPIS MiniRAM AFR 190's Holley Commander ECM 700R4 w/ 3.73's

guide plate question

Posted: 4/22/03 8:31pm Message 4 of 4
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Have you tried loosening the studs to align the guide plates , or are there other issues here . I also would recommend talking to afr about your problem before making a move one way or another. I run the the same heads and there is a bit of plate movement to be had by loosening the studs . Joe is also right about the use of a steel washer under the studs if you choose to remove the plates .

Geo


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