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Harmonic Balancer

Posted: 6/10/09 2:45pm Message 1 of 9
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ok, Sombody give me a down and durty informational answer to what is the harmonic balancer and why is it so important.  Do all cars have one?  If I am told by my vette guy that I should get a new one, does that mean ASAP?  I can see what appears to be some fabric material coming out of the harmonic balancer in the front of my 81 !
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Harmonic Balancer

Posted: 6/10/09 3:26pm Message 2 of 9
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from what I understand is that it absorbs the harmonic vibrations of the motor so it won't self de-struct

 

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Posted: 6/10/09 6:45pm Message 3 of 9
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Vette(s): 1975 Corvette coupe, 4 speed manual, 383 ci 9.5:1,Edelbrock dual plane Air Gap intake, Alum Heads,Comp Cam, roller Rockers, PS,PB,Tilt
I had a vibration at 3000-3500 RPM and suspected the harmonic damper. It did not get rid of my vibration issue. While I was in there removing the vibration damper, I installed a new crank gear, Cam gear and timing chain. Autozone will lend you the tools you need and in the end the tools are no charge.
 
Dorman has many technical bulletins which talk about the harmonic balancer function. I think there needs to be a better way to analyze whether this is really the problem. I have been thinking about getting a stobe light and have it going when the engine is running at the 3000-3500 RPM generatating the vibration.
 
 



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Yes,  Jeff is right, the balancer is a two piece affair the hub and the outer ring, the hub goes on the crankshaft held on by the thick washer and bolt, the outer  ring is pressed on and held onto the hub by an elastic ring, the balancer works on the order of a Gyro or a Top, over the years the elestic ring may dry up, rot, and shrink in which case the outer ring may rotate making it impossible to time your motor correctly, OR fly off the hub with the force of an Atomic bomb!


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Posted: 6/11/09 11:01am Message 5 of 9
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Even if they deteriorate slowly, they most often move back to the timing case and eat a hole in it, but of course you can hear this happening. So if your mechanic tells it's time to replace, it's probably not an emergency, but always a good idea to keep it at the top of your "things to do" list before it becomes a disaster.


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How it really works is that  the rotating assy. crank, rods, pistons produce a harmonic vibration produced by combustion, which produces torque, which flex's the crankshaft hundreds of cycles per second, don't know exact number but alot, if you were to take a paper clip straighten it out and bend it back and forth in the same place it would eventully break, thats what would happen to a crankshaft without a vibration dampner, there are three types of dampners, elastoner, fluid, clutch and spring types, the way it works is the harmonic vibration is absorbed by the vibration dampner which is called the "mass" and disapaitted through the elastoner, fluid, or clutch and spring, which ever the case may be, in our case its the elastoner- rubber type,  so if you see the rubber band pertruding or cracked or pieces missing, you might not be feeling a vibration but its not doing a very good job, think about getting a new one, the fluid ones are a little heavier than the OEM ones but they are suppose to make the engine run smoother than OEM, engine vibration robs H.P. anips2009-06-11 15:39:03


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Yo Jack,  tryed to go to  the Dorman page , but time had run out, I think you have to re enter your password for us to enter? anips2009-06-11 16:17:27


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Here is the detail in Dorman's Technical Atricle:
 

Harmonic Balancers

The Harmonic Balancer, or vibration dampener, is a component connected directly to the front of the engine on the crankshaft. Its sole purpose is to reduce torsional vibrations. These vibrations are generated by the engine as the cylinders fire. The front of the crankshaft will try to twist first as power is applied to it from engine operation. Power is then transferred down the shaft to the rear, causing the front of the crankshaft to unwind and snap back in the opposite direction creating a torsional vibration. Although these vibrations are small, it is necessary to eliminate them using a device called a Harmonic Balancer. The balancer is constructed of two metal pieces connected by rubber plugs, a rubber spacer, spring loaded friction discs, or a combination of two of these.

The balancer’s operation is simple. As power is applied to the front of the crankshaft, it attempts to twist the heavy part of the balancer. Instead, it twists the rubber components connecting the two metal parts of the dampener together. Since the front of the crankshaft can’t speed up as much with the balancer in place, the force is transferred to the rubber which in turn, speeds up the balancer. The resulting action cancels the crankshaft vibrations.

DESIGN DIFFERENCES

There are 3 different design Harmonic Balancers.

• The first design is called a Traditional Design and is composed of hardened rubber.

• The second design is called an Integrated Design. This balancer is made up of an inner hub and an outer hub separated by a rubber insulator ring.

• The third design is called a Diagnostic Design. This balancer incorporates "windowed vanes for crankshaft position sensor (CKP)

FAILURES

All three design balancers are subjected to the same types of failures. The failures are typically a result of:

• Heat stress

• Road salt

• Ozone attacking the rubber components of the balancer

 

• Stress from integrated drive pulleys

• Loads from other devices (powers steering pump, air conditioning compressor, alternator, air pump, water pump

• Road debris inflicted damage

• Crankshaft failure (broken or cracked)

• Damaged vanes on the balancer causing faulty inputs to the computer

DIAGNOSIS

Unchecked harmonic vibrations can lead to a number of failures or problems. Warning signs of Harmonic Balancer failure include:

• A leaking front engine crankshaft seal

• Excessive engine vibrations (varies with engine speed)

• Elongation of the balancer keyway and/or wear on the crankshaft end

• Loss of the balancer/pulley assembly, resulting in drive belt loss. Without a drive belt, loss of steering assist, alternator, air conditioner, water pump and hydraulic brakes (hydro boost) operation will occur

• Visible deterioration of the rubber insulator between the balancer hub and outer ring

• Slipping, squealing drive belts, accelerated belt wear/failure, or frequent drive belt replacement

• Visible cracks or warps on the balancer

• Wobbling pulleys when the engine is running

• Improperly timed/running engines due to slipped outer ring (contains timing marks)

• Damaged sensors (Crankshaft position sensor)




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Posted: 6/11/09 8:34pm Message 9 of 9
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Man, you guys are just wonderful!  I have learned more about the Harmonic Balancer than I ever knew before.  No wonder I joined this group.  Well, T.J. had a little to do with it!!  Hope to see some of you at MidAmerica in September.


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