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How to connect a TCS Solenoid?

Posted: 7/15/09 5:20pm Message 1 of 6
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boardman, OH - USA
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Vette(s): 70, 454 cu 390 hp
I'm having a problem on my 1970, 454ci, 390hp (LS5).  At idle it runs smooth. At high RPM it runs fine.  When I gun it, it backfires sooooooo bad.  Someone suggested that it might be that the vaccum advance is not working.   I have had the carb tuned before and this problem started after that, and has gotten worse and worse.    If you have suggestions please forward.   But for now I am assuming this is a vacuum problem somewhere from the carb to the distributor.   My first thought was that maybe this solenoid was not installed correctly.
 
One side of the open port connects to the carb.  The other open side is connecting to the vacuum advance line (spark line I believe it is called?).  Nothing connects to the closed end.  When 12 volts hits the solenoid it should open correct?   What happens here.  Does the air go nowhere (which is how it is currently connected.  Or should it be connected somewhere?
 
Please help.  I haven't been able to drive this in years.



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How to connect a TCS Solenoid?

Posted: 7/15/09 5:34pm Message 2 of 6
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Vette(s): 1981 Great White Shark. Red Interior, 350/190 hp. PS, PB (SS), A/C CC, T-Tops. Served three years in Active Duty Army, then Retired Air Force after 34 years! Badger State Vettes Car Club. 175,000 Original miles!! Now own a 1998 C-5!
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1st of all, welcome to the group.  I have a 1981 Quad-Jet E4ME Carb.  When you gun it does it feel like it is cutting out? like it is choaking??  What kind of carb do you have.  Sounds very much like Carburetor problem to me.  I just had mine worked on so am familar with some symptoms.



How to connect a TCS Solenoid?

Posted: 7/15/09 7:26pm Message 3 of 6
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It idles well.  If I rev it up it runs fine.  Its only when I step on the gas quickly.   I can see the gas pour into the carb.   It seems like its getting too much gas.  I can get some pretty high plumes of fire at times.  Sometimes fire, sometimes just choking on the extra gas.
 
I have an  Edelbrock 1407 replacement carb.  The last time I had the carb tuned it never ran as good as before I had it tuned.  I don't know what he changed.  All he told me is that I need to restrict the amount of gas.   He said the fuel pump pushes 7+ (what is the term, ppm?) and that I need to restrict the carb to 5.5.   When I put a fuel regulator on I can not even get it started.
 
Right now I know the distributor is turned way off where it was.  I moved it so that I could get it to idle smoothly.   That is another reason I am questioning the vacuum advance.   I have been reading on it all night long.   From what I can tell I have the open and closed ports of the TCS solenoid backwards, but the way the spark wire is connected it can only go one way.  
 
From what I can tell the tcs solenoid should not have any vaccum normally.  Only when it is energized should it flow air from the manifold to the vacuum advance.  I'm thinking when I stomp on it the vacuum advance kicks in and it shouldn't be.   I have found some ways to test if it is there or not, but still quite confused.



How to connect a TCS Solenoid?

Posted: 7/15/09 8:22pm Message 4 of 6
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Vette(s): 72 LT-1 AC coupe,69 l-36 coupe
the tcs sel. job is to allow vac. adv. only in high gear, you have a switch on the trans and when it goes into high gear it electricley opens the sel. to allow your motor to have vac. adv. in high gear, take it clean off the motor you don't need it all it will do  is hurt your performance through your other gears,  save it for if you sell the car for the new owner, retime your motor to factory specs with the "timed vacuum port" capped,  on the carb, after you have set the static initial timing and locked down the distributor reconnect the vac. adv. line from the dist. to the "timed vac. port" on the carb, on the front of the carb you will see three vacuum connections, the big one in the middle is for the pvc valve, you have two smaller ones, one on each side of the pcv conn., one is for "full engine vac". and the other  one for "timed Vacuum" which you connected your distributor too, if you look at the carb closely at the two smaller vac. connections  you will notice that one sits higher than the other,  the one that sits higher is the "timed vac" port, Edelbrock does recommend fuel presser to be no more than 5.5 lbs presser, more than that may cause the fuel inlet valve not to hold causing  flooding,  check to see if you Fuel Reg is adjusted properley......remember when the car is idleing  and you are free winding -"gunning" the motor and getting a backfire your are not getting vac adv. because you are not in high gear, also you cannot just move the distributor and not put  the timing back correctly it won't run right, .....I did not take in cosideration that you might still have the smog pump and the rest of the emmision equiptment in place, do not remove the tcs, do what I suggested but just bypass the tcs and go from the carburator directly to the advance cannister and see what happens, to check if the vac. adv. cannester is working with the rubber hose connected to it blow into the hose, if you can blow into it,  it has a hole in the diaphram and it is no good and has to be replaced,  if you can't blow into it its ok  anips2009-07-15 21:24:52


How to connect a TCS Solenoid?

Posted: 7/17/09 6:58pm Message 5 of 6
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Vette(s): 70, 454 cu 390 hp

One thing that I see that is different.  The higher port on the edelbrock is form time advance, but it is for emmission controlled engines.  The lower manifold vacuum is for non-emmission controlled engines.  I have it in the lower manifold vacuum.   

I had my wife put it in 3rd gear.  I felt the same suction on the open port that I do in the other gears (ie I have suction all the time).  I'm thinking the open port is not the one I think it is supposed to be.  Maybe the solenoid is stuck in the energized position.  Check out this picture of the tcs solenoid - http://www.chicagocorvette.net/images/parts/C/3/C3770.jpg 

Is open straight through?  Let's call this left to right.
Mine is sucking left to side (the port closest to the solenoid body.
 
If I blow air through it that is what is happening when the engine is off.



How to connect a TCS Solenoid?

Posted: 7/17/09 11:12pm Message 6 of 6
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the 70 tcs system is controled by the tcs sel., delay relay, trans switch, temp switch, when you first start the car the delay relay allows Vacuum  till the motor engine temp reaches 63 degrees then closes, then you will only have vac. adv. in high gear or if the engine temp reaches 232 degress in which case it will allow vac, adv......the port by the electrical connections is a vent, eng. vac enters the straight plastic port in line with the vent,  the vac adv. cannister hose connects to the vertical plastic port, there is a needle valve in the selenoid where the plastic straight and vertical ports meet, GM changed the operation in which it worked in following years but it was basicley the  same system with some added features, if you want to call it that.   Rolling On The Floor Laughing

anips2009-07-17 23:36:17


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