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Need 70 LT1 information

Posted: 12/2/08 9:27am Message 11 of 21
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Vette(s): 70 LT1 coupe, 69 350 HP coupe, 69 390HP 427 coupe, 71 LS5 convert, 85 coupe, 93 coupe
Thanks.  I will go with copper radiator and plastic shroud.  I have a lot of A.I.R. parts, so I should be able to fill in the missing stuff without breaking the bank.

Larry



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Need 70 LT1 information

Posted: 12/2/08 11:05am Message 12 of 21
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Vette(s): #1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas
If you remember, even the mighty L88s and ZL1s had the AIR system, so you can pretty well bet the widdle(by comparison) LT1s had it. The only exceptions were the export vehicles.

One other thing I can add on the different LT1 suffix codes. If my memory serves, a couple of the suffix coded engines used different oil pans. I can't remember exactly which one(s) it is, but I can certainly try to go back thru my lit. and find it. Imma thinkin it was the CTU coded LT1, but don't quote me on that...I will see can I find the info/part #s, and post it later...


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Need 70 LT1 information

Posted: 12/2/08 3:10pm Message 13 of 21
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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]If you remember, even the mighty L88s and ZL1s had the AIR system, so you can pretty well bet the widdle(by comparison) LT1s had it. The only exceptions were the export vehicles.

One other thing I can add on the different LT1 suffix codes. If my memory serves, a couple of the suffix coded engines used different oil pans. I can't remember exactly which one(s) it is, but I can certainly try to go back thru my lit. and find it. Imma thinkin it was the CTU coded LT1, but don't quote me on that...I will see can I find the info/part #s, and post it later...[/QUOTE]

Joel,

Just curious as to how the assembly line would know the car was for export and what manifold would have been used on these cars?



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Posted: 12/2/08 10:38pm Message 14 of 21
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The build sheet would have the info...it would also contain the part numbers for whatever assemblies needed. There were also "hints" written in grease pencil on certain areas of the car, stating the original config.
For instance, on '74s meant for export, there wasn't a decal on the overflow bottle that says "Warning: Hot Coolant" as the domestic cars had.
They also would not have any of the seat-belt/starter interlock components if it was meant for export.
All of this would show on the build sheet.
As far as exhaust manifold on AIR/non-AIR cars, they usually just plugged the holes for the tubes with pipe-plugs...


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Posted: 12/2/08 11:34pm Message 15 of 21
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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]The build sheet would have the info...it would also contain the part numbers for whatever assemblies needed. There were also "hints" written in grease pencil on certain areas of the car, stating the original config.
For instance, on '74s meant for export, there wasn't a decal on the overflow bottle that says "Warning: Hot Coolant" as the domestic cars had.
They also would not have any of the seat-belt/starter interlock components if it was meant for export.
All of this would show on the build sheet.
As far as exhaust manifold on AIR/non-AIR cars, they usually just plugged the holes for the tubes with pipe-plugs...[/QUOTE]

Thanks Joel. You're still "da man"  but if the engines were assembled beforehand, how would the engine assembly line know the car was for export so they could delete the AIR and plug the holes?



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Posted: 12/3/08 6:15am Message 16 of 21
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The AIR systems were installed on the vehicle assy line. If it wasn't needed for the car, the holes were plugged, or the manifolds would be swapped, depending on availability.
Also, engines were built according to orders. If the order came thru for an LT1 export with the M22, it would be assembled, and stamped as such. The engines also had paper suffix tags on them, so the assy line workers could easily identify a particular code engine. If the vehicle the engine was intended for was required to have the AIR system, it would have the appropriate manifolds installed at engine assy. If no non-AIR manifolds were available, the regular manifolds would be installed, and the holes plugged. The assy line would not stop for something like that...they would use whatever was on hand, if the engineer(s) deemed the parts would function and fit correctly.
There have also been documented cases where a particular engine wasn't available, so a different engine would be pulled from the line, and re-configured for the application. The suffix/assy date codes would be ground off, and the corrected codes stamped...


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Posted: 12/3/08 9:07am Message 17 of 21
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Vette(s): 1970 White L-46 Air Roadster, 1971 White LT1 Coupe, 1971 Red Auto Air Coupe, 383 stroker, 430 HP, 2002 Millennium Yellow Auto Coupe
[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]The AIR systems were installed on the vehicle assy line. If it wasn't needed for the car, the holes were plugged, or the manifolds would be swapped, depending on availability.
Also, engines were built according to orders. If the order came thru for an LT1 export with the M22, it would be assembled, and stamped as such. The engines also had paper suffix tags on them, so the assy line workers could easily identify a particular code engine. If the vehicle the engine was intended for was required to have the AIR system, it would have the appropriate manifolds installed at engine assy. If no non-AIR manifolds were available, the regular manifolds would be installed, and the holes plugged. The assy line would not stop for something like that...they would use whatever was on hand, if the engineer(s) deemed the parts would function and fit correctly.
There have also been documented cases where a particular engine wasn't available, so a different engine would be pulled from the line, and re-configured for the application. The suffix/assy date codes would be ground off, and the corrected codes stamped...[/QUOTE]
 
Try and get that ground stamp pad by the NCRS guys.........LOL. Things happened in the factory that are way beyond belief. The most important thing to those workers was getting the quota for the day, a lot like now.




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Posted: 12/3/08 2:02pm Message 18 of 21
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Vette(s): 1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.
Yes, strange things do come from the assembly lines. Back in the mid 80's a friend of mine ordered a new Chevy Suburban or Blazer, don't remember which. It was delivered to our local dealer with a Chevrolet emblem in the grill but the tailgate plainly said GMC. Confused 


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Posted: 12/3/08 2:09pm Message 19 of 21
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Back in the late '70s, a co-worker bought a new Mustang.  The interior door panels had Mercury Capri emblems on them.


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Posted: 12/3/08 5:28pm Message 20 of 21
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Vette(s): Previous: 1984 Silver / Charcoal Coupe, 1988 Maroon Coupe / 1989 Artic White Coupe / 2001 Speedway White Roadster / Present:1976 Stingray Black / Black, Auto, 350 slightly modified (355 hp) Luxor Wires Redline Tires. / 1989 Roadster Bright Red...
Larry by clicking An American Classic you will have one of the best resources that I know of for LT1 information. Al Wagner is a former GM engineer who helped in the design of the Stingray and many of the other Corvette and GM automobiles.
He now restores these beautiful cars and is a NCRS judge. He had when we visited 11 of the LT1 cars in his possesion.

Al is a great guy and will be more than happy to help you. On the web page you will find both an email address and a phone number. Give him a call and tell him that you are from the C3VR Registry and that I asked that you contact him....

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