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Posted: 6/3/05 8:18pm Message 1 of 10
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Roseland, NJ - USA
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Vette(s): 1974, 454 with 4 on the floor, matching numbers.

Just when I thought that I could enjoy the car without spending any money, (at least for a while) I have a problem which I assumed was no longer an issue. You guys have been great with suggestions and solutions to many problems, here is mine.

Recently I felt a slight miss in my 74/454, with Hedman headers. I have discovered that my spark plug boots are melting again. Less than 700 miles ago I did a complete tuneup, my old wires were cooked, I used Taylor Spiral wires, DTI asbestos boot covers, etc. I have two suggested options, purchase ceramic booted wires for $225, or, either have my headers treated, or buy new ceramic headers. Does anyone have any other suggestion ? I know that none of my friends have this problem. BTW, my car runs consistently around 195 to 200 degrees.

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Posted: 6/3/05 9:46pm Message 2 of 10
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Portland, TN - USA
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Vette(s): 1972 Coupe Anything, but Stock and more mods to come! SSBC Force 10 Brakes, 3.73, TH350, 355 CID, Rack and Pinion, Vette Brakes suspension front and rear.

I have a couple suggestions that should save you a bunch of money as an alternative.  Its a heat shield you can place over the wire to protect them and I know several people that have used these to solve there problems on magazine project vehicles.

One.

http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sc&cid=6

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EArls makes a fire proof hose and wire cover that is available but for some reason they have left it out of their catalog and I can't find a reference to it online.  If I dig into my archive at work I can get you some details on it.  Its not as pretty, because its orange in colr and the DEI stuff is more readily available.

Hope the info helps.




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Posted: 6/4/05 9:52am Message 3 of 10
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Vette(s): 79 L82 auto other then the indego blue paint,headers with chambered exhust and rims its all unrestored original with 68000 mi
I put header wrap on and it makes a big differance. I also used accels new 9000 wires and so far not even a hint of a problem yet.


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Posted: 6/4/05 8:24pm Message 4 of 10
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Vette(s): 1975 C3 Red, T-Tops, Black Interior. All I need is time and money! Getting there!
As an offshoot, make sure the car is not running too lean.  That will create a lot of extra heat in the headers.


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Posted: 6/4/05 8:30pm Message 5 of 10
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Vette(s): 1974, 454 with 4 on the floor, matching numbers.
Thanks guys, I'm going to contact the company that Aftershark suggested. I found out that my problem is only one wire, it's really close to one of the tubes. It was burned right through.  


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Posted: 6/4/05 10:01pm Message 6 of 10
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DEI makes the header wrap also.


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Posted: 6/5/05 3:53pm Message 7 of 10
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Vette(s): Coupe 74 - 454 Drive it like you stole it!
Warbird, I have the same as yours; 74-454 with Hedman headers (installed by PO in 75 or 76...).
 
The PO has installed a set of fire proof boots with a heat shield on top of it.  As far as I know, it's been there for years and I don't have this problem at all.  I also run at 195-200 degrees.
 
This looks like a really good (and not too expansive) option that AfterShark pointed out.
 
And could you believe that today I replaced ALL the spark plugs from the TOP of the engine (with factory AC).  My arms we so twisted at times, you would have thought that I have 2 or 3 elbows to be able to reach.
 
If you decide to add a heat shield to your (future) boots, don't secure them with a plastic clip like the PO of mine did; they melted right off!
 
Here's a picture of mines (well, at least one) if it helps. (You can also see my nose under the car, fixing something!)
 
74-45438508.6641435185


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Posted: 6/6/05 5:29pm Message 8 of 10
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Vette(s): 1974, 454 with 4 on the floor, matching numbers.

The boot shields that Aftershark suggested by DEI, are the ones that I'm currently using.

The plug wire boot/shield I'm having problems with is barely touching the header, but obviously enough to burn the silicone boot inside the heat shield.

As for running lean, that was an excellent suggestion, bit not the problem in my case.  Score one for me ! 

I believe I may have found a solution. Yesterday, while attending a Corvette charity fund raiser, I spoke with a guy who had the same problem ( his is a 73-454, Hedman headers also ) he suggested to use Accel "short" plugs, they're specifically made for this problem. He also uses the DEI shields. He claims he never had the problem again. I hate to give up my Rapid Fires, but his 454 was modified (550 hp) and hasn't suffered any loss of power. MY only problem is, That I haven't found the F*$#% plugs  I'll keep you posted.




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Posted: 6/6/05 8:42pm Message 9 of 10
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  There is a typee of duct tape on the market which furnise installers use. It is some type of metal with adhesive back. We have used it on a 1000 Deg Centigrade oven with no problems at all. Use header tape first then cover with this foil tape. then if you have to take it off its   not all that bad because this tape has a real good glue backer.

 




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Posted: 6/7/05 7:56am Message 10 of 10
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Vette(s): 69 Conv #'s match 427, TKO-600/.64, 3.36HD-Posi, HT, T/T, PS, PB, PW, SP, Leather, Comp XE264HR & Roller Rockers & Lifters, Air-Gap RPM intake, Holley St Av 770 VS, MSD 6AL+Dist+Blaster SS, K&N, Jet-Hot Hooker Side-Pipes, Steeroids, Al Rad, Spal Fans

another option is to have the headers jet-hot coated..

this reduces surface temp by 50%




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