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Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/4/08 5:56am Message 1 of 8
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NEWPORT NEWS, VA - USA
Joined: 3/26/2002
Posts: 25
Vette(s): 1977 L-82

My 77, L82 is all original.  But I have reached the point that I am tired of having oil stains on the garage floor, puffing smoke on startup and under heavy acceleration leaving a blue cloud behind me.  I think it’s time to rebuild.  We have a local Corvette shop in the area that I normally use for my repairs, no questions asked, but with an engine rebuild I think I should get bids.  Any idea what this should cost thinking at a minimum I should need at new rings, seals gaskets and the cylinder heads reworked?

 

By the way I still want to try to keep everything as original as possible.  Thanks

 




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Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/4/08 6:36am Message 2 of 8
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Edgewood, KY - USA
Joined: 10/26/2003
Posts: 339
Vette(s): 1981, Black/Black, Engine bumped to about 400HP.Ext/int mostly stock.
For a rebuild to original specs, I paid $1200 for the work and parts you'll need, but then I added many aftermarket parts on top of that.  You'll have MANY decisions to make.  Please learn from my experience and that of other's in this area.  I was very disapointed with performance after my first rebuild, so I'm re-doing it right now!  Key decisions:

- Are you willing to let the rebuilder deck the block to get a smooth surface there as well as true the block up?   If they do it, the VIN will be wiped off the block and you'll never be able to prove you have the original engine.  If they don't do it, the alignment of the crank to the deck of the block (where the heads attach) could be off by as much as .005", making compression and quench a little different in each cylinder.  If you're not going any higher performance than factory, I'd demand he NOT deck the block unles there is just damage there from a previous head gasket leak or something like that which requires it.

- What compression to you want to build to?  Don't just tell the guy "standard, factory-type rebuild."  If you do, you'll likely get "standard rebuild pistons" installed which are typically .020" shorter than factory specs.  They are built this way to make up for the fact that mass rebuild shops will always deck the block .020, so that original compression is maintained.  .020" doesn't sound like much until you calculate out the affact on compression ratio.  If you get these pistons AND don't deck the block, it WILL REDUCE performance.  If you are going in asking for factory specs and performance, I'd at least insist on flat-top pistons with the factory compression height and ask the builder to use thin head gaskets and/or mill the heads to get the compression up to 10:1.  That will give you a nice, very inexpensive bump in performance, but will require 91 or 93 octane.  I am now installing Keith Black piston # UEM-9902HC in mine, which have .005 higher compression height than standard, to help me get to 10.5:1 compression.  I'm using a larger than factory cam, so I need the 10.5:1.  For your purposes, these pistons would allow you get use a little thicker head gasket and still arrive at 10:1 compression.
- Don't trust your builder.  Ask for all part numbers, including pistons, head gaskets, and all specs and post here to make sure you are not getting the performance downgrade I mention above.

Good luck!



Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/4/08 11:54pm Message 3 of 8
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Yelm, WA - USA
Joined: 7/12/2007
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Vette(s): 1979 L82 4 speed Scat 383 crank 190 cc Procomp Aluminum Heads 202 160 stainless valves GM Powder metal rods Speedpro H860CP Hypereutectic pistons 280 cam hydralic HEI Pro comp 1.6 roller rockers Mighty Demon 750 Sanderson CC1AP Hedders.

After some really good advice from here I got another engine and put my L-82 into storage. Maybe, someday, my 79 will be worth something in it's oe condition, Rolling%20On%20The%20Floor%20Laughing well you never know it might, and I can have a crack at rebuilding the L-82 to specs. I'm really glad I got the other engine though, I've had a lot of fun working on it. Hopefully I'll have her on the road this summer a little bit.  




Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/5/08 4:45am Message 4 of 8
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Edgewood, KY - USA
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Vette(s): 1981, Black/Black, Engine bumped to about 400HP.Ext/int mostly stock.
If you think you will ever want more power, I would take 79rebuild's advise and tuck the L-82 away in the corner of the garage and install a crate motor.  You'll know the engine parts were all selected by a pro to work well together to produce the power advertised, plus you'll have a warantee.  Do it yourself and you'd better study a BUNCH. I did my homework and STILL I'm having to do it a second time.


Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/5/08 9:19am Message 5 of 8
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Mounds View, MN - USA
Joined: 5/24/2007
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Vette(s): 70 LT1 coupe, 69 350 HP coupe, 69 390HP 427 coupe, 71 LS5 convert, 85 coupe, 93 coupe
Chevrolet offers a crate short block for about the same $1,200 it would cost to rebuild your old engine, and you can set yours aside for the future.  If you use your heads and top end, you can have the best of both worlds.  Expect to pay about $250 to have your heads redone.  You might want to look at replacing the cam with an aftermarket "daily driver" cam that gives you a ton of low end torque.  Possibly something in the 260 -265 degree advertised range.

Have fun
Larry



Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/5/08 6:29pm Message 6 of 8
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Moses Lake, WA - USA
Joined: 4/16/2005
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Vette(s): 1976 L48 4-spd, Mahogany Metalic exterior, Buckskin interior 350ci/350hp, 3rd owner, fiberglass spring, 255/50-16's Torq-Thrust II
After last years meet in Carson City my engine finally had enoughLOL at 130K miles. So I got a GM 350HO crate motor and put my old original motor in the back of the garage for the future. In the mean time I get to enjoy a bunch more ponies under the hoodWink


Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/5/08 8:25pm Message 7 of 8
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East Hanover, NJ - USA
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Vette(s): '68 Black Conv. Matching 327/300 4 Spd. P/S, P/B, P/W, Tele, A/C
Emil,
 
I had my original 327/300 rebuilt to stock specs 2 years ago for $2,500 (not a bad price for NJ).
 
I reused the follwing parts: crank (turned .1 under), connecting rods (re-sized), pushrods, rocker arms, intake, balancer, flywheel (surfaced),  heads (hardened exhaust seats) & rocker covers.
 
The new parts consisted of pistons, bearings, oil pump (use a standard pressure one!!), bolts, valves, Comp Cam kit w/ lifters & springs, (a little beter than stock).
 
It may sound expensive, but even w/ the old parts, that's a lot of machine work.  Plus the engine was hot tanked, magged, and when I picked it up, it was a completely assembled long block (minus carb) & painted (intake,  valve covers & oil pan blasted & painted. 
 
I had been quoted up to $3,500 for the job at other places and believe it or not, this guy could have charged more but he was a friend of a friend.
 
I could have saved some bucks if he assembled the short block & left the heads & intake for me, but I spent the extra $$ so I had someone to blame if there was a problem.
 
Not to burst your bubble, but I also rebuilt the steering box, p/s pump & tranny & she still leaks Cry(less than before).............It's a Vette thing!!!
 
Good luck,
 
Anthony



Rebuilding an engine

Posted: 5/6/08 5:00am Message 8 of 8
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Horse Cave, KY - USA
Joined: 10/22/2007
Posts: 488
Vette(s): 1968 convertible; 1980 L-82
If you have the work space and a bit of experience with small block Chevrolets, you can rebuild your existing L-82 for the cost of parts.
 
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