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Posted: 2/8/09 8:01am Message 11 of 26
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Paul, do your heads have screw in studs for the rockers arms?
Were the heads machined for larger valves/springs?
Does the anti-freeze you see look like it has mixed with the engine oil at all(milky-ish), or is it straight green(or whatever color you used)?
How much a-f is it? Just a small puddle, or quite a bit?

I have seen a couple of instances where the screw-in studs for rocker arms penetrated into the water jackets of the heads.
It's hard to say where the AF is coming from, if it hasn't mixed with the oil(yet), but is just running on top the head. It's possible it's wicking up from the head bolts/studs, but....
So now it won't even start????
I'd suggest pulling all of the plugs, and checking for water/anti-freeze in any of the cylinders, then do a compression test.
Also, depending on the carb, a backfire thru it could blow gaskets, or other components(power valves on Holleys) that would make it difficult to start, but shouldn't keep it from starting eventually.
Check the dist. to see if it has twisted around. That could cause a bf and a no start. Also check to see if the rotor is turning when you crank it. Just because the cam is turning doesn't mean the dist gear is...if it ain't you got no oil pressure, either.
It's possible your ignition system took a doo-doo, to. Check for fire at the plugs.
Hope it's something simple...


also...if you're running a roller cam, you must use a bronze distributor gear. If you don't, and you use a "normal" iron dist. gear, it will destroy the dist. gear, and the cam gear, in a very short time...I hope this isn't what happened, but, just for info, and future reference...Adams' Apple2009-02-08 08:05:45


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Posted: 2/8/09 8:08am Message 12 of 26
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I'm going to attempt a compression test this morining. I know I have fuel and spark. Very odd that the dist seemed to no longer be in alignment with the #1 at TDC. But the pointer on the balancer in relation to the valves seems to be in the right relation. Could a brand new timing chain jump a tooth from a burp out of the carb?

Don't know what to make of the antifreeze yet..it's not in the cylinders. All plugs came out dry. My guess is that it's weeping out of 1 or more head stds on the D/S. If the compression test comes out ok and if there's not more than a few drops of AF in the oil (going to drain it and replace it now), I'm going to try to fire her up. If there's a significant amount, I'm going to guess it's a head gasket...
 
Off to the garage...I'll keep you all posted..



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Posted: 2/8/09 8:14am Message 13 of 26
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that rots paul. hope it is something simple that can be fixed quick. it's a pain waiting so long for the engine and then having something like this happenCensored. hope everything works out. dave


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Posted: 2/8/09 8:18am Message 14 of 26
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   We posted seconds apart from each other and looks like were thinking about the same things. If it is a little AF coming up through a stud, can I live with that? There has been no noticeable AF loss...the heads do have screw in studs - these are off the shelf Brodix heads and no machining on the valves - and with no AF in the Cylinders, guessing we can rule that out...
 
Small green puddle in the bottom rear corner of the D/S - nothing on the pass side.
 
Rotor turns
 
BG carb has PV blow out protection...
 
I get oil pressure when cranking
 
Valves are moving when cranking
 
Clean plugs, will do comp test, going to restab the dist and make sure I have spark.
 
Going back to baseline and going to attemp to get her started...



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Posted: 2/8/09 8:31am Message 15 of 26
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IF the AF is wicking up from the head studs, I'd recommend they be pulled, and sealed at the source...where they thread into the head. I know that ain't exactly the easiest thing to do, but....what are the consequences of NOT fixing the leakage?
The af may also be coming from the head gasket directly close to the head studs, and blowing up into the top head. You can have a head gasket leak, and it NOT mix with the oil...it all depends on where it is leaking.
This is gonna be one of them thar head-scratchers(no pun intended), as far as the AF situation. It could be that it had a small leak at first, then it has sealed itself, and what you see is simply residual. If it is just a small puddle, not getting larger, and is not mixing wid da erl(dang you Tux...), you may be fine on that.

It would be hard to believe that a new timing chain had jumped, but...it could happen. Was the block align-honed?


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Posted: 2/8/09 9:08am Message 16 of 26
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OK - compression check is great on all cylinders. Block was align honed.
 
The good news to the point? I wiped down the entire D/S head and actually came back 20 min later and saw AF around mainly 1 head stud (under the 2 rocker arms of the #5 cylinder) and then dribble to the other valves and then to the corner where I saw it - so it looks like I know what it is......could Bars Leaks nail this as a temporary intil I can get to the head studs?
 
Going to get he buttoned up, swap oil and try to fire her just to make sure the engine is ok otherwise.



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Posted: 2/8/09 9:25am Message 17 of 26
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[QUOTE=LukesVette]OK - compression check is great on all cylinders. Block was align honed.
 
The good news to the point? I wiped down the entire D/S head and actually came back 20 min later and saw AF around mainly 1 head stud (under the 2 rocker arms of the #5 cylinder) and then dribble to the other valves and then to the corner where I saw it - so it looks like I know what it is......could Bars Leaks nail this as a temporary intil I can get to the head studs?
 
Going to get he buttoned up, swap oil and try to fire her just to make sure the engine is ok otherwise.
[/QUOTE] Paul, first...words cannot express how bad I feel for you. When a guy's car isn't running right....he is truly not feeling right. (People who know me can tell by my demeanor if my car's ok or not)....So to the point, you can try the Bar's Stop Leak, if you want..........but I would really go down to the source. I would remove the head and stud. Think about it. Keep us informed, and best of luck to you. corvette440hp2009-02-08 09:26:56


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Posted: 2/8/09 9:36am Message 18 of 26
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I assume the head has to be taken off to do this? If that's the case, Might as well redo all tyhe studs to be safe...


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Posted: 2/8/09 10:42am Message 19 of 26
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[QUOTE=LukesVette]I assume the head has to be taken off to do this? If that's the case, Might as well redo all tyhe studs to be safe...[/QUOTE] Paul, now you are thinking on the right path.........


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Posted: 2/8/09 12:16pm Message 20 of 26
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Good news. Set the timing at the damper at 14 degrees advanced and turned the dist so the rotor was pointing right at #1. Changed the oil, primed the oil filter, primed the carb,
 
Fired right up!!!!phew
 
Now I think all I need to deal with is sealing the head studs, so positive confirmation rthat there seems to be no motor damage. Idles like a funny car still!! Embarrassed Much happier than I was last night!!
 
Question - the head studs have allen heads on top. Could I wind these out and seal them?
 
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR ADVICE, CONCERNS AND FRIENDSHIP OVER THIS - THOUGHT I WAS FACING A VERY EXPENSIVE HUNK OF SCRAP IRON!!!
 
AMEN!!Approve The big guy upstairs was watching out for me on this one!!
 
Paul



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