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stalling problem!

Posted: 5/10/09 5:13pm Message 1 of 15
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Hi all.
 
I own a 1974 Stingray. When I purchased her, I drove her home witch was a 6 hour drive. Now the ex owner said there was a vacuum leak I had to locate and fix and in the meantime adjusted the idle very high so I wouldnt stall driving home.  Well I took her to my mechanic who said that the carb was the wrong carb and didnt fit with my intake thus creating a vacuum leak. I found this weird as the carb is a street avenger and the intake a edelbrock performer 2101. But this mechanic has a great local reputation and worked on my previous Vettes...so I trusted him and gave him the okay to replace the carb. Well carb replaced and I had basically the same symptoms: Car runs fine when cold but once it gets warmed up, it will stall at idle if I stop at a light. When it gets really warmed up, it stalls even at a stop. But except for that she seemed to be driving really nice untill you stop........Took her back to my mechanic who checked the timing, and readjusted the carb a few times and had me do roadtests to see how she would handle. Well she seemed to be less worse and stall way less often. Even drove this korning and she didnt stall at all and I adjusted the idle to 700 rpm like the haynes manual specifys. All seemed ok. So I go for a good drive on the highway this afternoon and I noticed she seemed weird, like low power and sounded weird so I drive back home but as soon as I leave the highway, she stalls. Start her back up: as soon as I take my foot of the gas, she immediately dies! I had to drive her home with a foot on the gaz and a foot on the brake when slowing down!
My mechanic had disconnected the vacuum hose from my distributor to the carb and had basically ruled out the possibility of the problem being a leaky hose. So Im gussing intake gasket and the ex owner believes its the intake gasket. So I took off the intake today and will be putting her back together tomorrow.
 
My mechanic wants me to bring him my carb so he can change the power valve. he the carb needs a powervalve for the cam I have witch would solve the idle problem.
 
A few questions: does this sound like a vacuum leak problem??? My problem was originally an idle problem and now she dies without my foot on the gaz! Could I have a couple problems at the same time? Would really appreciate some opinions on this.
 
Secondly, for those who have changed intake gaskets before, Ive read that I shouldnt use the gaskets for the rear and front ends between the block and intake and instead use black silicone. What do you guys suggest. Amnd should I put some silicone or something on the intake gaskets or just slap em on dry?
 
Let me know and sorry for the long question.
 
Chris



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stalling problem!

Posted: 5/10/09 7:32pm Message 2 of 15
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Hey shorkey,
I'm not the most knoeledgeable one of the bunch here. However, I do believe that a larger cam can cause a decrease in engine vacuum.
Take a look at "C3 Engines" in the forum list of categories. There is a recent post which may answer a few of your questions about the gaskets.
In the meantime, I'm sure some of the folks here will chime in and provide some answers for you.
Keep checking back & welcome to C3VR!
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Posted: 5/10/09 7:42pm Message 3 of 15
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Do you know what kind of cam is in the engine?
What engine are we dealing with?

A cam with a lot of duration, which will produce low vacuum, can cause the power valve to flutter, basically dumping fuel into the intake. If you are seeing black smoke from the tailpipes, then that would be a good indication of a fuel issue. If it's NOT dumping fuel/black smoke, then you are prolly on the right track with the intake leak idea.
Yes...do NOT use the rubber end gaskets for the intake...use silicon for that. The rubber gaskets can hold the intake up off of the heads a little, and create several problems, including vacuum leaks, as well as coolant and oil leaks...

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Posted: 5/10/09 8:08pm Message 4 of 15
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Joel is right on with the carb recommendation. Have you put a vac gauge on the motor?
 
Use "Right Stuff" sealer for the front and rear intake seals. Better sealing qualities than standard RTV - I've never had an issue with it.
 
 Put a 1/4" bead across the front and rear rails and an extra bit where the intake gaskets meet the sealer on the 4 corners.
 
Good luck - hope she straightens out.



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Posted: 5/11/09 4:49am Message 5 of 15
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Thanks for the replies gentlemen!

The Cam is a Comp Cam: Comp Cam XS256S cam & lifter (218/224 , 0.465/0.477) and the heads are Edelbrock: Heads: EDL-60909 heads, 64cc
 
From what I understand that cam is a mild cam right? Anyways, I dropped off my carb at my mechanic and he will change the power valve and I will finish the intake job tonight or tomorow and Im hoping that the problem will be solved after that!
 
If not, I guess the only other possibility is ignition although most of it is new....
 
 
Ill keep you guys posted once Im done but feel free to share opinions and experiences on similar problems.....Im starting to wonder about my ignition module and fuel pump...although I think I wonder too muchSmile



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Posted: 5/11/09 10:59am Message 6 of 15
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It appears to be a fairly mild grind, but still better than stock.
I can't see this being an ignition problem, since it only seems to be a problem at idle...most ignition issues will manifest at higher rpms first, but...ya never know.

You didn't say if it was blowing any black smoke, tho....was it?



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Posted: 5/11/09 11:58am Message 7 of 15
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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]It appears to be a fairly mild grind, but still better than stock.
I can't see this being an ignition problem, since it only seems to be a problem at idle...most ignition issues will manifest at higher rpms first, but...ya never know.

You didn't say if it was blowing any black smoke, tho....was it?
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Well I didnt notice any black smoke but I didnt really check that to be honest. The thing is at first it was only an idle problem but has now become a stall as soon as you take your foot of the gas problem and this after a long drive on the highway.....Well after changing the intake gasket I will redo my timing and adjust the carb! If the problem is still there then I will disconnect the powerbrake vacuum hose to see if theres a leak from there....
 
 



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Posted: 5/11/09 3:29pm Message 8 of 15
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I'll bet you find that it is a vaccuume problem.  But where???  I dunno !!!!


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Posted: 5/15/09 9:10am Message 9 of 15
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Check all the fuel lines.  If they are somewhat old it's possible the heat from the engine is causing them to constrict or close.  I've actually had this problem with 'weak' fuel lines.


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Posted: 5/20/09 6:30am Message 10 of 15
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[QUOTE=apple76]Check all the fuel lines.  If they are somewhat old it's possible the heat from the engine is causing them to constrict or close.  I've actually had this problem with 'weak' fuel lines. [/QUO
 
Thanks for the reply. What is the best way to check the fuel lines?



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