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valve tap or exhaust tick?

Posted: 4/19/09 7:06am Message 1 of 12
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hi guys.
question for ya...
seems lately after i drive my car for awhile i hear a ticking coming from the passenger side of the motor. seeing as though i've never really heard a what a valve tap sounds like or what an exhaust leak sounds like, is there an easy way to distinguish between the two?
the sound usually appears AFTER i've been driving it for a bit.
any ideas?
thanks!
jeff



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valve tap or exhaust tick?

Posted: 4/19/09 7:48am Message 2 of 12
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Usually an exhaust tick will be worse when  the engine is cold,as it heats up the metal expands and closes the leak, if its a valve tap you should be able to hear it pretty well over the valve cover, if so maybe just needs adjusting, you may try a can of valvetop oil or another otc product to see if its just sticking, good luck, rd


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Posted: 4/19/09 8:34am Message 3 of 12
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I agree with Rick...an exhaust leak/tick will normally be worse when cold, and get better once the system gets hot.
A rocker arm tick will usually get worse with heat, as the oil thins out. The only way to know for sure is to pull the valve covers, and adjust all of the rocker arms. If you find one that appears to be loose, it just wouldn't make sense to adjust just that one...do them all while you're there.
There have been a few threads here about adjusting the rocker arms, and the procedure...I'll look and see can I find a couple for reference...


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valve tap or exhaust tick?

Posted: 4/19/09 10:15am Message 4 of 12
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Hey Jeff,
Last year I had a tapping sound coming from the passenger side of my motor/exhaust.
Turned out to be the heat riser (is that what you call it?) open/close flap on the passenger side exhaust manifold where it meets up with the exhaust.
I had replaced my orig. exhaust with a true dual system and removed the emissions stuff including the valve for the open/close function of this flap.
I wired mine in the open position & I'm happy with the results.
I know my terminology may be a bit off, but if you look at the psgr. side exhaust manifold you'll see what I mean.
It's worth a look.
HTH.
Kevin
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Posted: 4/19/09 10:37am Message 5 of 12
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Yep, really hard to tell one sound from another. I like to use a  cardboard tube (paper towel or etc.) to my ear, as a stethoscope to at least isolate the origin of the noise. aceinthehole2009-04-19 10:38:05


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Posted: 4/19/09 4:22pm Message 6 of 12
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thanks for the help guys. 
KDADDY - i dont have a heat riser on mine anymore.  good thought though.

i'll try to listen to it more closely and keep you posted.

thanks again!
jeff



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Posted: 4/19/09 6:32pm Message 7 of 12
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With the engine cold, not running, rub your finger tip on the side of the head above & below the exhaust manifold  at each port and check for black soot. If it's there then you have a leak at that point. If your engine is greasey and dirty then this may not work. You would have to clean the area and then run it for a while and then check it after it colls down. DO NOT do it when it's hot! Sometimes you can feel it blowing out the joint at the head & manifold, just don't touch it.
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Posted: 4/19/09 7:48pm Message 8 of 12
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Just do it the easy way.   Kill a cylinder while it's ticking.  If it's valves, it will still be there.  If it's exhaust it will go away. (do all of them one at a time)


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Posted: 4/20/09 3:04am Message 9 of 12
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[QUOTE=kstyer]Just do it the easy way.   Kill a cylinder while it's ticking.  If it's valves, it will still be there.  If it's exhaust it will go away. (do all of them one at a time)[/QUOTE]

interesting.
can i pull the individual wires from the distributor cap to "kill the cylinder" to avoid getting burned by the exhaust manifolds?



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Posted: 4/20/09 8:00am Message 10 of 12
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It seems like a good idea to isolate the sound before you do a lot of other things.  Use a stethoscope, or use a solid rod such as a long screwdriver, and listen all over the engine.  It could be coming from the water pump or alternator, or who knows where, so narrow it down first.

Larry



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