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WHAT DID I WRONG ?

Posted: 3/15/06 2:15am Message 11 of 184
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Thanx guys.Only afraid that i tryed everything you mentioned. Checked it all a 10 times.Yes i removed the distributor for installing the parts.But placed it again in the same rotation "°" and even then , if you find again BTCD with timing light on the first plug , its the same i suppose ?
i'm i right Joel ? I think you may install your distrubutor either way , as long you find BTCD? and ofcoarse  a wrong setting will be difficult for connecting  vacuum advance and  rev counter cable . No ?
Started also with dwell. Seems to change 2 degrees with rev's.So i put on 29 at idle , having 31 in high rev's. Is this normal ?
have put a 36 ° mark on the damper witch do not reach it now in high rev's.So i'm not in the "ball park" .Vacuum leak i must check.Rich or lean mix ? i did not change any jetting on the carb , only the 2 little screws , idle mix ? no ? so that must be the same ? no ?
and yes it changed after playing with all , before it was OK.
Plug wires ? i have to check . I removed them and reinstall  as i surch for a "better " routing  above the engine  now with  my tubular headers but ended again under as i was original before ! perhaps i damaged one ????? But all plugs are "dry" , shouldn't  that give a wet plug ? ......
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Posted: 3/15/06 3:58am Message 12 of 184
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Have you been through the carb? Accelerator pump or diaphragm for secondarys could be bad.




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Posted: 3/15/06 4:29am Message 13 of 184
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Dave,

the pumpers are OK , i see them squirt enough pushing the throtle.

The secondarys are mechanical connected , i think they begin at 1/3 throtle.Did NOT change that.

thanx.keep on thinking guys... please...

And the wether is becoming good with sunshine dry....




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Posted: 3/15/06 4:33am Message 14 of 184
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Check the plugs to make sure they all fire. I have seen where plugs fowl because of to much gas and even after cleaning them they don't work. Just a thought.

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Posted: 3/15/06 6:59am Message 15 of 184
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Thanx Brian, also a tought of me. Already went for 8 new plugs and try them this evening. I remeber having bad trials with the old plugs and than installed new ones.Again bad testing. So it's possible i fould all the plugs and as you mentioned : had i once with a bike : the plugs where not good even after intensive cleaning.Strange.

Lets HOPE that's it !

Joel , i hoped a second you had the answer :

Plug wires not correct(firing order-1-8-4-2-3-6-5-7..clockwise rotation)
but all my books ( racing engine preparation, service manual,car manual ) say : 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2

also the numbers on the Weiand inlet manifold ............................ WHO's RIGHT ????

 

 

 




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Posted: 3/15/06 8:48am Message 16 of 184
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I don't have it in front of me, but concerning the firing order, I noticed the same thing.  Only my service manual has it right.
 
On big blocks, I think the firing order was different.



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Posted: 3/15/06 12:04pm Message 17 of 184
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bad news. installed 8 new plugs and tryed with 4° static, 8° static with or without vacuum advance. ( dwell is 30° ) .
Problem remains the same.Can't get it over 3000 rpm's driving and giving gas its making pufpufpuf's....Have checked again firing order and ohm tested the spark wires. They seem ok.
idle seems perfect and i can make easely rev's without  hearing something special.So it is  under  load  that he wan't accelerate ?????
I think now more  the carb.... but what can happen with that ? i removed it to tighten the 6 screws on the underside because above , where you see the tread of the bolt there was always some fuel to spot. So i inverted the carb , tighten a bit those screws ( they where only hand tight )  and reistalled him .
Can i have damaged something by putting the carb upside down ????
If he's not giving fuel enough or too much , what can be the reason ?? Isn't that a fixed jetting ?and it was ok before changes ..., i'm a bit out of possible ways to  try something ....
All the old plugs today where dark brown but surely dry , not black-wet.

 




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Posted: 3/15/06 12:36pm Message 18 of 184
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1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2  is the correct firing order for a '70 350....

Driver's side 1 - 3 - 5 - 7

Pass side  2 - 4 - 6 - 8




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Posted: 3/15/06 1:36pm Message 19 of 184
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thanx Martin and Jim.Joel made a typing fault or tought a different engine ? perhaps BB are in that way fired ?????find that Chryslers have the same but Fords are different !

my engine is a very early '69 block rebuild to a 350/350, assume same firing order ?



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Posted: 3/15/06 3:49pm Message 20 of 184
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talking of under load acceleration : i find here in a book that the Holley has a power valve acting with vacuum to supply extra gas under low vacuum.They have the number : example a 65 means he's opening at 6.5 inches of mercury .But can i have damaged that with bad ingnition??? perhaps a backfire ????????????? And should this mean that with the main metering system alone, only 3000 rpm's can be achieved???? But how can i verify this ? or just replace with new ones ?




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