Topic: ZZ4 Break In
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Let me start by saying I don't know much about engines and reley on those of you that do. So my ZZ4 is installed. The guy that put it in drove it 50 miles or so, gave it to me said have fun. Don't red line it or go top-end, but otherwise I could drive it hard including going over 5k. I have seen mixed posts on whether they are broke in at the factory before shipped or not. Need some advice, I fear I have been running way to hard for only having a couple of hundred miles on it.
Also, I am assuming that although you set the timing with the vacumn advance disconnected you still need it hooked back up.
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The ZZ4 has roller rockers so you shouldn't need to worry about the ZDDP level in the oil, but I would still pick up a container of EOS at a GM dealership's parts counter. It's made for engine break-in. Then drive it normally...not crazy...and regularly vary the rpms to give the rings time to properly seat, if they're not already.
I don't know if a ZZ4 is broken in at the factory, but it's still prudent to follow a normal brake-in routine. Many think you should change your oil after the first 1000 miles...don't know how appropriate that is compared to years ago, but it's cheap insurance.
Some people say to break an engine quickly by driving it somewhat hard. I don't know which is best...maybe the easy driving break-in procedure is simply being cautious. Anyone is free to disagree and come up with their own method.
Yes...reconnect the vacuum advance after setting the initial timing.
Yep, I would hook the Vac adv. back up, drive it like you would you pick up, use it but don't abuse it, don't lug it and vary your highway speeds, at 500 miles change the oil and filter, at 3500 miles change the oil and filter, at 6500 miles change the oil and filter, take the motor to 6000 rpm, at 10,000 miles beat it like a rented mule, thats how I broke in my street motors
Brain, did the motor come with a distributor, and if did, did it have a Vacuum advance canister on the dist. and if it did, why would they send it that way if they are telling you not to use it, THAT'S the reason G.M. went bankrupted, now I get it, without a Vac. Adv. you will get poor gas mileage and poor off Idle response, I had a coversation with another member who had troble with getting his engine to run right, it was a 290 hp GM crate motor and the instrutions say the same thing, can't remember who or what post, I tryed to impress on him to use it, after a couple of days he tryed it and all his problems went away, it was a different motor a different car so for now do what GM tells you, good luck an have fun with your new toy 


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[QUOTE=Gunslinger]The ZZ4 has roller rockers so you shouldn't need to worry about the ZDDP level in the oil, but I would still pick up a container of EOS at a GM dealership's parts counter. It's made for engine break-in. Then drive it normally...not crazy...and regularly vary the rpms to give the rings time to properly seat, if they're not already.
I don't know if a ZZ4 is broken in at the factory, but it's still prudent to follow a normal brake-in routine. Many think you should change your oil after the first 1000 miles...don't know how appropriate that is compared to years ago, but it's cheap insurance.
Some people say to break an engine quickly by driving it somewhat hard. I don't know which is best...maybe the easy driving break-in procedure is simply being cautious. Anyone is free to disagree and come up with their own method.
Yes...reconnect the vacuum advance after setting the initial timing.
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Forgive me guys, I don't mean to hurt any feelings but for the sake of accuracy I'm sure you were refering to the ZZ4s roller cam "lifters". Many people assume that because it's a roller motor it comes with roller rockers but in fact they are built with stamped steel rockers just like stock. If you want roller rockers you must add them yourself. All the info given is still correct and I agree with Bruce about reconnecting the vacuum line.
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Okay. GMPP contacted me and sent me their install insturctions:
GMPP Instruction:"The HEIvacuum advance canister should remain disconnected. This engine is designed to operate using only the internal centrifugal advance to achieve the correct timing curve." In addition, they say make sure that the vac pot stays plugged.
It sound like other say BS, to get it to run correct, hook up the advance. GM says it will be sluggish at WOT if you hook it up.
My biggest issue is that timing appears to be set correctly, I am running 92 gas and still get dieseling most times when I shut it off.
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Here is the break in procedure I got with my ZZ4 THIS YEAR:
The engine should be driven at varying loads and conditions for the first 30 miles or one hour without wide open throttle (WOT) or sustained high RPM accelerations.
8. Run five or six medium throttle (50%) accelerations to about 4000 rpm and 55 mph (if application is a vehicle), and back to idle (0% throttle) in gear.
9. Run two or three hard throttle (WOT 100%) accelerations to about 5000 rpm and 55 mph (if application is a vehicle), and back to idle (0% throttle) in gear.
10. Change the oil and filter. Replace with 20W50 racing motor oil (not synthetic) and an ACDelco oil filter. Inspect the oil and the oil filter for any foreign particles to ensure that the engine is functioning properly.
11. Drive the next 500 miles (or 12 to 15 engine hours) under normal conditions. Do not run the engine at its maximum rated engine speed. Also, do not expose the engine to extended periods of high load.
12. Change the oil and filter. Again, inspect the oil and oil filter for any foreign particles to ensure that the engine is functioning properly.
13. Do not use synthetic oil for break-in. It would only be suitable to use synthetic motor oil after the second recommended oil change and mileage accumulation.
The engine should be driven at varying loads and conditions for the first 30 miles or one hour without wide open throttle (WOT) or sustained high RPM accelerations.
8. Run five or six medium throttle (50%) accelerations to about 4000 rpm and 55 mph (if application is a vehicle), and back to idle (0% throttle) in gear.
9. Run two or three hard throttle (WOT 100%) accelerations to about 5000 rpm and 55 mph (if application is a vehicle), and back to idle (0% throttle) in gear.
10. Change the oil and filter. Replace with 20W50 racing motor oil (not synthetic) and an ACDelco oil filter. Inspect the oil and the oil filter for any foreign particles to ensure that the engine is functioning properly.
11. Drive the next 500 miles (or 12 to 15 engine hours) under normal conditions. Do not run the engine at its maximum rated engine speed. Also, do not expose the engine to extended periods of high load.
12. Change the oil and filter. Again, inspect the oil and oil filter for any foreign particles to ensure that the engine is functioning properly.
13. Do not use synthetic oil for break-in. It would only be suitable to use synthetic motor oil after the second recommended oil change and mileage accumulation.
to fix the dieseling try lowering the idel about 100 rpm, initial timing should be about 10 degrees BTC, heres, how the advance works, the mechanical advance doesn't start to come in until about 1500-2000 rpm or more, that rpm is where your off idle to mid range performance is, lets say stop light to stoplight, without the Vac Adv., your motor doesn't have any advance except for your initial static timing of 10 degrees BTC which is not enough, the Vac. Adv. brings in about 7-10 degrees more to cover the lack of advance from idle to when the mechanical advance starts to come in, at which point engine vacuum drops off which causes the vacuum advance to drop off so at WOT the Vac. Adv. is not working, and you are running on Mechanical only, and if you do hook up the V.A. connect the cannister to the "timed port"on the carb.anips 2009-07-24 14:14:58
[QUOTE=anips]to fix the dieseling try lowering the idel about 100 rpm, initial timing should be about 10 degrees BTC, heres, how the advance works, the mechanical advance doesn't start to come in until about 1500-2000 rpm or more, that rpm is where your off idle to mid range performance is, lets say stop light to stoplight, without the Vac Adv., your motor doesn't have any advance except for your initial static timing of 10 degrees BTC which is not enough, the Vac. Adv. brings in about 7-10 degrees more to cover the lack of advance from idle to when the mechanical advance starts to come in, at which point engine vacuum drops off which causes the vacuum advance to drop off so at WOT the Vac. Adv. is not working, and you are running on Mechanical only, and if you do hook up the V.A. connect the cannister to the "timed port"on the carb.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the way mine is set up, runs great.
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