Home page
SPONSOR AD

Topic: 77 fuel re-line

in Forum: C3 Fuel, Emission Control, and Exhaust Systems

77 fuel re-line

Posted: 4/20/17 2:50pm Message 1 of 9
Profile Pic
Limited Member
Send PM
henderson, NV - USA
Joined: 2/7/2004
Posts: 715
Vette(s): 1977 Corvette l48 Custom
HOWDY!!!

I was wondering if anyone could assist me with this fuel system question.
I have a 77, it had the bladder inside the tank. The new tank that I ordered awhile back has nuts welded to the underside of the sending unit opening so I don't need the old bladder ring (had the nuts built into it). However, there was a charcoal canister and a manual pump, a total of 4 lines. In the states of Nevada and Arizona where I live and drive, I don't need the old emissions equipment. And I would rather not have all these emission items anyways.

My plan was to use a 69' vented cap in order to vent the tank in-lieu of the charcoal canister and hook up a holley electric blue fuel pump. From there I would use a mix of hard steel and hard rubber line up to a check-valve in the engine compartment and run that directly into the carb.   

With the check-valve and the electric pump, I was hoping that I would not have to have a return line. Does this sound acceptable for a swap?

Thanks guys!!



-LOUIE

SPONSOR AD:: (Our Sponsors help support C3VR)

Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 4/20/17 9:17pm Message 2 of 9
Limited Member
Send PM
Overland Park, KS - USA
Joined: 7/9/2003
Posts: 914
Vette(s): 1973 Orange Metallic Coupe (orig owner), L82, 4 spd (WR), PS, (A/C & PW (I installed from wrecked 73)), leather, AM/FM Stereo, ran with '65 FI unit earlier & will again some day. 2023 Accelerate Yellow HTC Stingray
There's a reason GM uses steel line on the pressure side of the fuel pump.  It minimizes fires.  If you have to use rubber, would recommend using high pressure fuel injection hose.


1973 L-82 4 spd

Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 4/22/17 10:57am Message 3 of 9
Profile Pic
Limited Member
Send PM
henderson, NV - USA
Joined: 2/7/2004
Posts: 715
Vette(s): 1977 Corvette l48 Custom
Yeah, I was going to run the mix of steel and the high pressure line. 
I just wanna make sure that with the check valve and bypassing the emissions that this is acceptable.
since I am venting through the cap and not having the return lines. The old assembly-line manual I have shows 4 lines. 2 on the driver and 2 on the passenger under the body.



-LOUIE

Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 5/1/17 1:01am Message 4 of 9
Profile Pic
Limited Member
Send PM
henderson, NV - USA
Joined: 2/7/2004
Posts: 715
Vette(s): 1977 Corvette l48 Custom
Does anyone else have any insight?


-LOUIE

Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 5/2/17 5:26am Message 5 of 9
Profile Pic
Lifetime MemberLifetime Member
Send PM
Canada
Joined: 12/24/2013
Posts: 414
Vette(s): 1975 L48 Stingray 1992 LT1
there is a post on this site that had some good input into this site, but can't tell you exactly where it is, maybe one of the other members could help you there.  I do know that the venting was still a concern with just the cap, and I decided to stick with the four lines, but that is all I remember, good luck with your search.


Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 5/2/17 7:54am Message 6 of 9
Profile Pic
Former Member
Send PM
Dunedin, FL - USA
Joined: 3/21/2006
Posts: 262
Vette(s): 1980 Corvette Torch Red with Gold metallic 370HP/350 CU.IN.Turbo 350 w/shift kit.Originally CA.Car with 305 CU.IN.

Hello New Guy  If you use any rubber fuel line may I suggest Q-Jet 3/8 or 5/16 ethanol/alcohol resistant line. Great fuel line..

Sal C           nosal1 


Ethanol Compatible 3/8" rubber Fuel line Hose
Our Part # [4298F3/8]

Quantity1+10+ 
Price for each$3.95  $3.44 $3.16
Your savings13%20%

Ethanol Compatible 3/8" rubber Fuel line Hose
Click to enlarge

New 5-layer ethanol resistant 3/8" rubber fuel hose is newly designed to resist the alcohol/ethanol in todays new fuels. Compatible with E-85, Methanol, Ethanol, Gasoline and Gasohol. 
Dont take a chance on inferior auto parts store rubber fuel hose that is not rated for use with todays new fuels.

Made in the USA

Rated to 50 PSI

Select total length required, for example if you order a qty of 6 you will receive a 6 foot length of hose.


Click to enlarge



Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 5/6/17 1:39am Message 7 of 9
Former Member
Send PM
United Kingdom
Joined: 10/6/2015
Posts: 83
Vette(s): 1970 convertible in red 350
All I'd say about deleting the return line is how happy is the fuel pump about being dead headed? Once the float bowls on the carb are full and the float valve shuts the fuel pump will be working against a closed valve, if the pump is designed with this in mind then you'll be fine, if not you could have problems with overheating of the fuel trapped in the pump?
When your mechanical pump operates against a closed float valve the rocker arm sits away from the cam until more fuel is required then starts pumping again.
To be safe i'd keep the return line with a relief valve set to 3-4 psi to maintain a reasonable pressure at the carb but allow a flow of cooling fuel back to the tank.
I just discovered my 70 has an unvented cap on the tank and no charcoal canister(never had one) so far the tank hasn't collapsed but the other day when we stopped there was a strange glooping sound from behind us!
Regards
Graham



Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 5/18/17 7:54am Message 8 of 9
Profile Pic
Limited Member
Send PM
henderson, NV - USA
Joined: 2/7/2004
Posts: 715
Vette(s): 1977 Corvette l48 Custom
Well, I see all 4 lines. They are not under the body, but run along the from between were the body and chassis meet. Unfortunately most of the fuel system diagrams in my 77 corvette manual have been lost by the prior body shop like the vast majority of parts. I don't remember what line does what and how they connect at either end. Can some one help with this? Also how would I connect the lines to a holley electric pump? it only has one inlet and one outlet, there are 4 lines then. 


-LOUIE

Re: 77 fuel re-line

Posted: 5/24/17 11:05am Message 9 of 9
Profile Pic
Limited Member
Send PM
henderson, NV - USA
Joined: 2/7/2004
Posts: 715
Vette(s): 1977 Corvette l48 Custom
Actually. I was way wrong. I traced those 4 lines back and did some inspection. Those 4 lines are actually the brake lines. The fuel lines I traced back from the tank location. Total of 3 (1) on the left to vent into the canister and (2) on the right side, one send and one return. 

They look like they enter the body and attach to the frame with clips all the way down. I am assuming that the body must be removed to replace the lines. Can anyone confirm this? Is there an easier way?

Any ideas on blowing them out, maybe checking for pressure or leaks?



-LOUIE

in Forum: C3 Fuel, Emission Control, and Exhaust Systems


SPONSOR AD: (Our Sponsors help support C3VR)