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EGR Solenoid

Posted: 11/27/07 6:39pm Message 1 of 28
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Vette(s): 1982 C3 Collectors Edition 44000 miles, sat in the sun most of its life, My wife purchased it for me for Father's Day in 2007 from her girlfriend that had it for 19 years. It is on the road again. I'm retired but it is now my daily driver.

I know someone has had this problem.  I'm troubleshooting fast idle on my 82 vette.  Looking at all of the vacuum hoses and found that my EGR Solenoid has one of the plastic tips broken.  How does this work?  Where can I get one?

 

I’m going to plug the EGR vacuum input it from what I understand it is not need at idle.  When the car warms up the idle should drop so if this is my problem I will know.  Correct?




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Posted: 11/27/07 9:11pm Message 2 of 28
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If the broken tip is actually the source of a vacuum leak, it can contribute to a fast idle. I would expect the "Check Eng" lite to come on, tho...does it?

Plug that puppy and see if it helps...it won't hurt anything.
Might be a pain to find a new solenoid, tho. At least, one that's affordable!

Might try Paragon, or Lectric Limited...they do some rebuilding of original solenoids. They might have one, or can repair yours, reasonably. Couldn't hurt ta give em a call.


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Posted: 11/27/07 11:05pm Message 3 of 28
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After the car has run a while the check engine light did come one the code was 45 which was rich fuel at the Cat. 

The tip that is broken on the Solenoid is the one that connects to the white plastic connector.   I may be able to repair that by rebuilding the tip.  I just do not know if this is a vent or if it is a vacuum source.   Does someone have a picture of this that they could up upload or send me so I could see if this is a vent or not. 

  


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Posted: 11/28/07 6:03am Message 4 of 28
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If it is a vent, there will be no vac. hose connected to it. Solenoid vents normally have a small piece of foam on them as a filter, but it is usually, by now, deteriorated, and gone. I can dig up the vac. diagrams, and e-mail them to you this evening, if it would help.


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Posted: 11/28/07 11:22am Message 5 of 28
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Thanks please do email it to me.  I will take a picture of the item and send it so that both of us are working from the same sheet of music on this issue.





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Posted: 11/28/07 11:33am Message 6 of 28
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According to the vac. diagram, the EGR solenoid gets it's vac, from the pass. side throttle body. From there(the solenoid), it goes directly to the EGR valve.
I'll e-mail the complete vac diagrams this eve, but here is a caveman drawing...


                                         


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Posted: 11/28/07 5:18pm Message 7 of 28
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I dont know if GM still has the parts but Advance Auto Parts has an EGR solenoid listed for $42.00 aAint cheap but if thats what you need its worth it.
 



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Posted: 11/28/07 8:01pm Message 8 of 28
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Since we are talking about the EGR's I need to know a some things. Can I run a non EGR intake on my 350? What do I need to do to make this work? Is it worth it? Or, should I just buy the EGR intake?

I can save at least $40.00 on the intake. But, if I have to spend $40.00 to work around the EGR issue it isn't worth it.

Here is the intake I am looking at.




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Posted: 11/28/07 8:30pm Message 9 of 28
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Tux...
 
Is that a pic. of the 2101 you were looking for?



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Posted: 11/28/07 8:35pm Message 10 of 28
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You can run without an EGR. If you'll look back a week or so, you'll see the post where Ken explains what they're for, and how they work. As long as you don't have to do an emissions test, it'll be fine. You may need to do some tuning, as far as timing, and carb mixtures, but it'll all work out ok.


[QUOTE=kstyer]EGR stands for Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve.

It allows exhaust gas through the intake passages to enter the intake manifold chamber. This mixes some exhaust gas with the intake air fuel mixture.

Exhaust gas has been burned. It cannot burn again. You can't light ashes. Nor is it oxygen or fuel. Due to these facts, it will not affect the air fuel ratio (A/F). But it will dilute it. This means instead of having 100 % of what is in the cylinder fresh air and fuel, it may be 90, 80 or even 70%, with the remainder being inert gas.

This has the effect of cooling the combustion in the cylinder. The target is to keep the cylinder combustion temp below 2500 deg F.   Above that temp, the engine will create a lot of NOx emissions ( worse for you than Carbon Monoxide ) and it creates preignition and ping. Very bad for us and for the engine.

Cooling the mix prevents both of these. We don't need or want EGR at idle. There is too little air in the cylinder, and if we dilute it the car will idle poorly, if at all. The cylinder does not make enough heat to be a problem at idle.

At part load, part throttle, the cylinder does get quite hot, and needs the cooling. So EGR is allowed. At full throttle adding EGR would slow the car down. Less fresh air and fuel will result in less power. So no EGR at or near WOT (Wide Open Throttle)   Under hard acelleration conditions, the fuel mix is richened up to create maximum power. Rich mixtures run cooler, so the EGR is not needed.

Lean mixtures run hotter, so an under jetted carb will create pinging. Over jetting can foul plugs and at best, cut fuel mileage.

Anything that involves combustion will be a factor in cylinder combustion temp. More timing will increase combustion temp, retarted timing will be cooler. Aluminum cylinder heads can operate more timing due to the fact that heat transfer is improved, and thus the cylinder can run cooler. There are many factors. High octane fuel burns cooler (yes, cooler) then low octane, thus preventing ping. Cooler burning high octane burns for a longer period of time, and although cooler, creates more heat due to increased burn time. Temp and heat are two different things.

EGR can be checked in a couple of ways. The large EGR valves on our cars have access to the diaphram on the bottom of the large section of the valve.   First at idle, reach under it and push the diaphram up. the car should bog, idle rough, or perhaps die. If it does this the passages are clear. If not the passages are clogged.

Now with still reaching under and feeling the diaphram, rev the warmed up engine. The valve should lift up.   If it passed both of these test, all is functioning and okay. If it bogged when you pushed up, but does not when you rev the engine, pull the vacuum line and check for vacuum when the engine is revved up. If there is vacuum, but the valve did not respond, the valve is bad.   If there is no vacuum you have a control problem.

Control comes from a ported vacuum on the carb. This should not have vacuum at idle but will with part throttle. Full throttle makes the vacuum drop to nothing. Don't try to go full throttle. That could damage the engine with no load.   If vacuum responds properly, follow the line to a Thermo Vacumm Valve on the intake manifold. This prevents vacuum from reaching the EGR when the engine is cold. When warmed up, the valve opens and allows EGR.[/QUOTE]Adams' Apple2007-11-28 21:00:20


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