Topic: Fuel Pressure Fluctuations
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Washougal, WA - USA
Joined: 1/12/2007
Posts: 12
Vette(s): 1973 coupe: Painted a root beer brown (soon to change). Running an all numbers matching 454ci and 4 speed. The engine has been punched 30 over, with Keith Black pistons, Cam, Edelbrock intake and 750 carb, with long tube ceramic coated headers.
Well.... I installed a new fuel line that connects the hard line to the pump, (old one was collapsed) then I installed a fuel pressure gage. I then started the car, the gage was bouncing between 1 and 6... it would not settle down. When I brought up the RPMs, the gage went to bouncing between 4 and 5.5. I took the car for a spin and it coughs and farts under hard acceleration. I blew out the lines to the tank, the sock and tank are clean...
Why is the pressure so erratic?
Spec: 1973
454ci bored 30 over
Mid range cam
Torker II Manifold
Edelbrock 750
HEI conversion (all new wires)
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Frederick, MD - USA
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Vette(s): 1969 convertible L71 427/435 4-speed black interior
Try it without the fuel pressure gauge. If the car straightens out, then you know there was something wrong with the gauge installation causing the problem.
Otherwise, it could be a bad or restricted fuel pump...some crud could have moved from the old line into the pump causing a restriction.
Check your oil...does it look like or smell like gasoline in it? If so, the fuel pump diaphragm could have ruptured allowing gas to dump into the crankcase. The worst case could be a worn lobe on the camshaft that the fuel pump lever impinges against.
Hopefully it's something simple. Start with the simple and progress from there.
Otherwise, it could be a bad or restricted fuel pump...some crud could have moved from the old line into the pump causing a restriction.
Check your oil...does it look like or smell like gasoline in it? If so, the fuel pump diaphragm could have ruptured allowing gas to dump into the crankcase. The worst case could be a worn lobe on the camshaft that the fuel pump lever impinges against.
Hopefully it's something simple. Start with the simple and progress from there.
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Washougal, WA - USA
Joined: 1/12/2007
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Vette(s): 1973 coupe: Painted a root beer brown (soon to change). Running an all numbers matching 454ci and 4 speed. The engine has been punched 30 over, with Keith Black pistons, Cam, Edelbrock intake and 750 carb, with long tube ceramic coated headers.
The problem was there before I did the work... That is why I put the new hose and gage on, I have also tested with a hand held gage. The engine is fresh with only 400 miles on it, no gas in the oil and a new cam was installed during the rebuild.....
Should I order a new stock pump or go with a electric pump?
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Vette(s): 1969 convertible L71 427/435 4-speed black interior
One thing I've been reading a lot about recently is modern grade motor oils no longer having the additives needed for engines with flat tappet rocker assemblies. Allegedly the lack of the proper additive package for older engines that have been rebuilt or new crate engines with flat tappets is resulting in a large increase in camshaft failures, within a thousand miles in many cases. The lack of the appropriate additives in the oil is resulting in cams not breaking in properly and failing. The probelm seems to worse in camshafts made from imported blanks than in domestically produced cam blanks.
There's a specific GM additive available at dealers to handle this break-in problem. Supposedly the cam lube that manufacurers supply isn't enough.
Whether this could be your problem I have no idea...that the fuel pump lobe on the cam maybe wiped. I just want to bring this up as a possibility since your having a newly refreshed engine rang a bell with me after reading these reports.
The simplest thing could be a bad fuel pump...maybe even installed incorrectly. You can try a new pump...I would try that first.
The problem with an electric fuel pump is it has to be mounted back by the gas tank for best performance and shielded so it doesn't interfere in your radio. Not much of a problem, but more involved than simply installing another mechanical fuel pump.
Hope you get your problem sorted out quickly and simply.
There's a specific GM additive available at dealers to handle this break-in problem. Supposedly the cam lube that manufacurers supply isn't enough.
Whether this could be your problem I have no idea...that the fuel pump lobe on the cam maybe wiped. I just want to bring this up as a possibility since your having a newly refreshed engine rang a bell with me after reading these reports.
The simplest thing could be a bad fuel pump...maybe even installed incorrectly. You can try a new pump...I would try that first.
The problem with an electric fuel pump is it has to be mounted back by the gas tank for best performance and shielded so it doesn't interfere in your radio. Not much of a problem, but more involved than simply installing another mechanical fuel pump.
Hope you get your problem sorted out quickly and simply.
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Washougal, WA - USA
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Vette(s): 1973 coupe: Painted a root beer brown (soon to change). Running an all numbers matching 454ci and 4 speed. The engine has been punched 30 over, with Keith Black pistons, Cam, Edelbrock intake and 750 carb, with long tube ceramic coated headers.
Thanks for the input...
The engine builder is well known in the Northwest, he also races professionally with a big block Vette and a Chevelle. I trust that he put in the correct good parts and he was very specfic on the oil I used as well as the break-in method. But, anything can happen.... I ordered a new stock pump and I will see how that works..
Thanks again!
C3454Vette
I would ask the builder what he thinks and what oil did he put in. Gunslinger is right. I got the same advice about the additive issues in the new oils and am presently running 15w40 diesel oil. I have approximately 390 miles on a new crate. I am somewhat concerned because the car lopes, which everyone thinks it is cool, but the cam in the crate motor is relatively mild. I am waiting it out. The car runs great and I hope the lope is natural, but I ain't sure!!!
I bring this up because a guy in our local Vette club down here is also a builder and he stated that the diesel oil was hogwash. I think I believe the publications before him. I also have another vehicle that runs very well, but the in line fuel gauge runs erratic. I am not bothered by it because the car runs like a champ, but you obviously have something going on with it spuddering,etc.
good luck gurtz
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