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Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 1/18/08 7:47am Message 1 of 9
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I am installing a heated O2 sensor in my 82 and need some ideal as to where to hook up the power and ground wires. I know it needs key on power, just not sure of the best hook up place. Anyone here that have done this on an 82, I'd especially like to hear about your connections.
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Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 1/18/08 10:34am Message 2 of 9
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What is the advantage of a heated O2 sensor?


 
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Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 1/18/08 10:56am Message 3 of 9
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The stock one is not heated, why change it?
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Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 1/18/08 11:27am Message 4 of 9
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Why do you want to install a heated sensor? It will provide no benefit whatsoever. The original type non-heated sensor is all you need.


Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 1/18/08 11:28am Message 5 of 9
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Heated O2 sensors respond quicker, or more accurately, get up to operating temps quicker. This, in turn, allows the ECM to go into "closed loop" operation quicker, which gives it more control over the emissions aspects sooner. The sooner the ECM goes into closed loop operation, the sooner the air/fuel mixture is adjustable/controlled by the ECM.

I don't think you can just wire in the heated elements to key-on power. That will cause the sensors to basically explode eventually. The heated sensors are normally controlled by the ECM, and are only heated(on) for a short while, until the exhaust is hot enough to keep them working. I'm also not sure what voltage the ones you have work from...may not be full 12v.
All that being said, I can't see the need for them on your '82.

I'm sure Ken can 'splain this more...and make more sense of it...


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Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 1/19/08 1:21pm Message 6 of 9
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I am double checking on the key on power connection. My problem is since I have installed headers, the o2 sensor is not getting up to temperature, which I think is 600 degrees. This is causing it to go in and out of closed loop and running bad. Installing the Heated sensor is what others with the same problem have done on their 82's.
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Posted: 1/19/08 2:39pm Message 7 of 9
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Joel is correct in the need for the heaters.   And with the headers, the need for a heater makes sense.
 
Yes the heater is controlled by the ECM, but it is done through a relay.  The ECM turns on the relay, and supplies battery power to the heater circuit.    Connect a relay control circuit to an ignition source to control the relay function.  The use an additional fuse to supply power to the relay and feed the heater circuit.  The ground is just a ground.
 
Some heaters do use less than 12 volts to the heaters.  Be sure which kind of sensor you are using, and if you need less voltage a decent resistor will do the job,  The value depends on the voltage.   Some are pulsed, but if so, 6 volt supply will do the job.
 
To be sure, look at the application for the sensor, look at that vehicle wiring diagram, and see if it has direct voltage to the relay or not.  Most do.  If yours does not, it would be easier to get one that does instead of fooling around controling the voltage.
 
There will be 4 wires on a heated sensor.  Your original sensor uses one wire, and grounded it's signal through it's case, and in turn the manifold.  So you will need to supply a ground for that as well.   You could share a ground, but I recommend against it.   If you lose the ground, that could short the sensor and cause battery voltage to head up the sensor wire to the computer.   Not a good thing.
 
As Joel indicated, some of the heated sensors are timed and shut off after a few minutes.   This allows the sensor to reach 600 deg F. quickly, then stays hot after the exhaust warms up.
 
In your case, as in many others, the sensor is likely to cool frequently at low engine (not road) speeds.  So keep the heater powered up all the time.  It will be fine.  Most heated sensors stay powered all the time anyway.
 
When using headers and driving a low engine speeds, the heaters should help.  Other wise, there would be no need.
 



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Posted: 1/19/08 4:34pm Message 8 of 9
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You forgot to mention having headers!
The O2 sensors staying too cool to operate properly on headers is usually due to them being too far away from the heads, where the real heat is. If they are mounted on the collector, that's not the best place for them. You might consider moving the sensor(s) up farther towards the head on one of the tubes. That would prolly make it work fine, without having to go thru the hassle of wiring heated sensors...
Of course, that would mean the sensor is only getting a reading from one cylinder, too...not exactly the best thing....


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Heated O2 Sensor On An 82 ??

Posted: 3/7/08 9:34pm Message 9 of 9
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I got the heated O2 sensor installed; I ran a power wire to the radiator fan power, 12v at ignition ON. I used the right gauge wire, used 24" of 1200 degree insulation sleeve to run the pwr and sensor wires to the engine compartment, soldered all connections, heat wrapped all wires and made all good and non-bubbaish.... The car runs much better at the lower engine speeds thanks to it getting into closed loop way faster. My O2 bung is presently located about 10" from the header collector; that is 10" from the end of the collector. When I install the new exhaust, I will move it to the collector and still use the heated O2 sensor.
Thanks for the help guys!
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