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Ran out of Gas....Gauge read half tank

Posted: 8/5/06 9:38pm Message 1 of 13
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Well, like so many before me,,,,looks like I have to replace my Fuel Sending Unit.  Since day 1 when I bought the car the fuel guage always worked fine until the last half tank....sometimes it would drop from half tank to quarter tank....but not often.

Read a lot about a bladder in the tank.  Is it possible for the sending unit to be fine but when the tank is half full the float gets hung up on the bladder????  Seems odd as I would expect the weight of the gas to keep the bladder pushed against the side of the tank and never interfere with the float....

Thought I would see what you experts think before I buy the part and attempt the swap.

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Posted: 8/5/06 10:26pm Message 2 of 13
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  First of all,   SWEET CE!!!!!!!!!

Now, yes, the neoprene bladder can, and most likely WILL collapse upon itself when the vent hose for the tank becomes clogged. This, I would say would be the most likely culprit.

Regardless of the problem, the tank must come out,The easiest thing to do, and, fortunately this happened to me, is to hope the next time you run out of gas, it happens in the driveway, and you can wheel your baby back in, and drop the tank. The good part is, it will be empty, and not too heavy. Or, you can drain the tank manually, and then drop it. It is not that hard of a job, just take your time.

While you're down there, might as well change the sender, if funding will allow it.

Good luck, and let us know how you managed.

P.S. This information is passed along by me, by the vast knowledge of our beloved Ken Styer, who informed me of this problem when I was thoroughly confused on why I kept running out of gas with 3/4 of a tank showing.

Thanks Ken.

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Posted: 8/6/06 8:51am Message 3 of 13
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Yup, Kerry....sounds like you have an over-active bladder problem.

The bladder can deform, and hang the sending unit float. From what I've heard over the years, it always seems to indicate anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 tank, but the tank is empty.
You can remove the bladder, but you will have to pull the tank to do it.
If you're lucky, the sender will still be good, and you can re-use it.


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Posted: 8/6/06 9:25am Message 4 of 13
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You may not have to remove the bladder.  I have been able to push them back into place with a broom stick.  Sounds weird but it may work.  Drive with the gas cap loose so it will vent.  If the gauge works okay, you won't have to pull the tank.  Find the vent hose to the charcoal cannister and make sure it and the cannister are both flowing freely.  If not that is the cause of the bladder colasape.  The tank is not venting and the vacuum as fuel is used causes the problem.  That's why a loose cap will tell the tale,  loose cap, no vacuum.


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Posted: 8/6/06 12:07pm Message 5 of 13
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Ran out of Gas....Gauge read half tank

Posted: 8/6/06 1:47pm Message 6 of 13
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Ken, your a genious.....great diagnostic tip....Since I just filled the tank, next weekend we will have to take an extended cruise (shucks ) and see if the gauge works down to a 1/4 tank....

Ken, is there an easy way to check if the vent hose/canister are working (not plugged)???

Micki,,,if I have to replace the tank then yes...I don't have any way to raise the back end ....will have the rad replaced at the same time (really wish I were a better home mechanic)




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Posted: 8/6/06 9:18pm Message 7 of 13
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 Sooo... what would cause the fuel gauge, over a period of time, to start registering less gas that is actually in the tank. I have a good 1/4 tank more than what the guage reads. Any thoughts?




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Posted: 8/6/06 9:23pm Message 8 of 13
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Bad sending unit, or loose/corroded connections?
Possibly the float has absorbed enough fuel/toxins over the years that it is now heavier?


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Ran out of Gas....Gauge read half tank

Posted: 8/6/06 10:15pm Message 9 of 13
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I have a similiar problem.  I assumed I had a 10 gal tank I never checked in the manual to see how big it is.  I can only put 10 gals in it although I have never run dry.  The guage says empty and only 10 gal will go in.


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Posted: 8/7/06 5:59am Message 10 of 13
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[QUOTE=longhorn294]

 Sooo... what would cause the fuel gauge, over a period of time, to start registering less gas that is actually in the tank. I have a good 1/4 tank more than what the gauge reads. Any thoughts?

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That is one fine looking Corvette, man you have good taste in cars.   

My guess would be old age and corrosion. The gauge works off resistance.

In non FE cars A little Marvel Mystery Oil in the tank occasionally will help with the lubrication and corrosion if that is a problem. My 77 stuck once and an old Corvette guy told me to try it before I pulled mine . No problem since at all.






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