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rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backfires

Posted: 10/29/17 12:13pm Message 1 of 25
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starting a new thread for my carb issue.  the other was in electrical as i thought somewhow they were related.   just coincidence...

short short version of back story.

bad fuel line.  repaired it
bad fuel pump, replaced it.  bad out of box new fuel pump.  replaced it again.
carb gunked, rebuilt it.  
no gas through carb, found accelerator pump tight, took apart and reseated everything.  
car now starts after a couple of years of sitting. 

i am mechanically inclined, rebuilding the carb was not bad at all, but tuning it, for my old car, is not going well.
I got it to idle at 1000rpm.  some small pops occasionally.  i know it should idle lower, like it did before, but cant get it down.  there is a vacuum leak, but tried spraying carb cleaner and no luck finding it.  

after it idling at 1000 for a few minutes(and enjoying my success that it was running again!) i gave it a couple of revs.  idle went up and stayed up.  looks like one of the secondary nozzles is dripping into the bowl.  (probably have to pull apart again?)

I have never really worked on a carb before, and have watched way too many videos and read too many posts to the point where im on information overload.  

anything jump off the page of something stupid i have done or missed?



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Re: rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backf

Posted: 10/30/17 6:53am Message 2 of 25
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I had this issue once it was the Carb Bolts not torqued to spec. It was sucking air around the base at the gasket. Another time it was a (NEW) bad Power Valve. Just a couple of thoughts.
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Posted: 10/30/17 11:47am Message 3 of 25
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cool, i'll take a look.  i know, now, that the person who originally installed this holley carb, put in a few spacers to raise it up give or take a half inch.  im guessing there is no point in trying to tune it until i figure out the whistle/air leak.

edit:  found the noise, ill try to upload a pic, screw hole right by throttle lever.  i put a small screw in and the noise stopped.  need to figure out why there is flow through it now and not before.  got the car idling around 900rpm.  did well for a while, but when i gun it per say, when it comes down it will die out.  starts up pretty good, but i need to keep on the gas a bit to get it to "warm up" and stay running.  even after it was already warm.  im sure i need to tune it alot better, but i've never done it before and the videos make it look easy!  haha!  


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Re: rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backf

Posted: 10/31/17 5:56am Message 4 of 25
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If it has stopped popping. You may want to look at jetting. I moved from Colorado to North Carolina had a hard time with cold idle. Re-jetted 67 fronts and 73 rears (both are what Holley says is best at sea level) also adjusted the timing and was able to get mine to idle at 750 even after WOT (Wide Open Throttle).  I am not an expert but I have learned from about from trail and error as well as Holley Customer Support.

By the way, you would benefit from cutting down on the number of inserts under the carburetor. You can find different size spacers if you need them. I have need really like the thin insets. If you have room under the hood just use a slightly higher spacer and new gaskets. 

Hope all goes well. 







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Posted: 10/31/17 10:14am Message 5 of 25
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Make SURE the gaskets used under the carb, and for the "spacers" are correct, and are not leaving even the tiniest of spots un-sealed. You'd be surprised at how small a leak can be and cause all sorts of idle problems. 


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Re: rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backf

Posted: 11/1/17 7:30am Message 6 of 25
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when i can get it running on its own(without giving it gas to stay running) there is some small pops occasionally(like every 15-20 seconds).  it starts up fine, the choke works as it should, but it takes a minute or 2 of giving it gas when the rpm's drop or it will die out.  it will eventually stay running, and i see the flap open as it warms up.  the plugs and wires, though they are 6 years old, have only about 20 miles or so on them, and maybe 2 hours of run time.  just starting it up throughout the winter a few years ago.  they may have gotten fouled through the fuel pump issue and cranking without fuel.  i'll probably just change them out since they are cheap. 

i just really dont know what to listen for to diagnose any issues that may be causing it not to run well.  i am looking for someone to come and check it out.  they can probably see it and listen to it and tell me what the problem is fairly quick.  i did find the whistling and plugged the hole it is coming out of base of the carb.  it was the left of the 2 holes directly behind the accelerator cable.  the original gasket must have covered it before.  
i do get an air sound that sounds like it is in the carb, not a whistle, more like a hiss, that is stronger when you hit the accelerator.  
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Re: rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backf

Posted: 11/1/17 8:47am Message 7 of 25
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This is a helpful guide. /member_uploads/50801_50900/50867/D32FB_carb_troubleshooting_guide.pdf

try this too.

1) check your carb base gasket, unbolt the carb and retorque to around 10-12 foot pounds, if you over tighten a carb you can cause the base to bow slightly and cause a vac leak.

2) reset your idle mixture screws to 1.5 turns. if you rebuilt the carb you changed the little cork 
gaskets around the needle screws.

Adjust throttle screw to keep engine running so you can work on it

3)get an assistant, and a bunch of rags: put the rags around the 
carb base open the primary fuel bowl sight screw if fuel comes pouring out you need to lower the fuel bowls, drop the level with the adjustment nut and tighten them up, start the motor and have your assistant watch the sight hole if fuel is still pouring out, cut the engine and readjust, repeat as necessary. and do the same for the rear bowl.

secondary’s open under engine load, you won't see it engage revving the engine in neutral or park. 

if you rebuilt the internals correctly, changed all the 
gaskets and replaced the power valve, your problem should just be adjustments, of the carb.

you can fine tune the idle screws with a vacuum gauge
your aiming for max vacuum at your desired idle speed. or you can close down each idle screw until you hear the 
engine rpm drop by 200 then back off 1/4 turn

you can confirm your idle mixture screws are not leaking by closing them all the way the engine should stall. if not, you could have a stuck butterfly or another leak in the idle circuit

finish up by re adjusting the idle as needed.


Help something helps. I know what it is like to chase something. Do you know an old an school car guy that a six pack of beer may get them over to take a listen. Sounds like you are close. 

Good luck, If I can help let me know.








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Re: rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backf

Posted: 11/2/17 1:38pm Message 8 of 25
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thank you for that!  that actually helped.  ive read all of it before in different places, and tried to follow it, but i did it again, and got it to idle pretty good at 800rpm.  any lower and the engine is shaky.  

i found the new air leak, directly under the bolt that i used to plug the other leak.  i wonder if i used too long a screw and ripped the gasket.  going to pull the carb off again to check it all out.  but i used a piece of gasket and kinda plugged the new leak, and got the car to idle pretty good.  

this is a pic of the riser plates/gaskets.  not sure if they are one piece or multiple.  i'll know soon!



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Posted: 11/3/17 6:34am Message 9 of 25
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It help you a lot to get rid of off those thin spacers. Check out the Holley website for what you need.

looks like a 1/2" one would work but you should measure for yourself.

The holes you are plugging up are they vacuum ports?










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Re: rebuilt carb, whistling sound and idling high and small pops/backf

Posted: 11/3/17 7:06am Message 10 of 25
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cool, thanks.  i'm going to delve into it today.  i have to check to see if they were sucking in, i think they were.  i know the last leak is a gasket issue of some sort, it is under the hole i plugged with the bolt.  i looked back at pictures from before and there was nothing attached to the holes originally.  so when i rebuilt the carb, the gasket must not have covered it.  


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