Another way to go for many is a  belt driven blower, or centrifical blower.  It looks kind of like a turbo, but mounts in a similar manner to an alternator.  It will fit in most cars, the heat is not a big issue due to no exhaust, and it provides a nice boost.  You can also use headers and a stock hood with this setup.

Just food for thought.

Exactly Ken! Plus with procharger S/C's they are self contained meaning it has its own oil supply and no tapping into the engines oil pan. $2,100 for the kit I need, that also includes the accesory brackets I need. I can even keep my A/C with the setup. I can change my boost by changing pully ratios. I'll go conservative because my bto trans is rated at 450 ft lbs or torque. I might later on upgrade the trans to handle more. But I feel it can survive about 450 rwhp for now.

Hey guys. I'm not getting the turbo after all. And CorvetteRacer I think you should hear me out.......

I may be retard but after what I just found out turbo is a waste of time. First off, I finally got a hold of the custom carb shop. And I just want to go over there and beat the guys face in. I hate when people do this to me. I may sound retarded sometimes when I stumble over my words, and I may only be like 17 but hey I'm trying to learn, and when people make fun of me while trying to sell me a product that just means they are a low life 4 legged piece of 5h17!!!!!!1 in l337. He heard that I was 17 and started giving me sarcasm over the phone while trying to sell me the sportsman junior 1 setup, (which is the first type of entry level carb they do). Anyhow, this 455h0l3 tried to be all 'big guy' and down me, I've had people at summit, jegs, this carb place, several local shops do this to me. It makes me fell like a retard when every time I get on the phone and ask someone a question like this if they do this to me. I can only imagine what you guys think of me now. Maybe I should just quite while I'm ahead now, and stick with computers, I don't belong in a technical world I guess.

Anyway, their carb kit is $789! After I said that's way too much for me he turned into a 455h0l3 b/c he knew I was just a kid. But also I’m starting to realize that Matt, Ken, and Ben, and Tom are all right. A turbo is perhaps the worst form of forced induction ever. Spending $789 on the carb, or 5K on EFI + 3K on the turbo kit + massive labor is not worth 6PSI of boost, not even if it was 12PSI. It is still way to expensive for turbo. I think that I'm just going to return the carb, and intake I have to summit, and get that nice RPM air gap for a $100 dollars more, and maybe get a different carb. And that electric Holley blue electric fuel pump so I can have a bit more performance. I'm not ready for either a turbo kit or a supercharger right now. Either way they are both still too expensive for a 17 year old (replaceable, retard) kid who’s a cashier at Kmart. But when the time comes I think I'm going to save my money and buy a $3K turbo charger from Weiand.

 I was thinking this intake:

#75012 http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&Ntt=edl%2D75012&N=0&part=EDL%2D75012&aut oview=sku&Ntk=KeywordSearch

Paired with this carb:

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&part=EDL%2D9913&N=400065+4294925239+4294839063+4 294919007&Nao=10&autoview=sku

or

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&part=EDL%2D1411&N=400065+4294925239+4294839063+4 294919007&autoview=sku

They are both the same carb, its just the second one is the retail one, and the first one is remanufactured, that would save me some money. After I return my #1406 carb and I would have money left over for the new intake. I don’t see a problem with a remanufactured product, do you?

But, also paired with:

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&Ntt=HLY%2D12%2D802%2D1+&N=0&part=HLY%2D12%2D 802%2D1&autoview=sku&Ntk=KeywordSearch

 

I can also make the carb 12% richer with these babys:

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&Ntt=EDL%2D1455+&N=0&part=EDL%2D1455&auto view=sku&Ntk=KeywordSearch

 

Right now its:

#1406 carb:

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&Ntt=1406&N=0&part=EDL%2D1406&autoview=sk u&Ntk=KeywordSearch

 

and #27012 intake

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail. asp&Ntt=27012+&N=0&part=EDL%2D27012&autoview =sku&Ntk=KeywordSearch

With a stock manual fuel pump from Ecklers.

So, whose in with me on the change?

My 2 cents

-The retard

new77guy38413.496400463

Dude you are being way to hard on yourself and taking things too personal.  789 is not bad for a custom built specialized carburetor.  Pro Stock teams spend 3 to 4k for a single dominator from some of these guys and they need two of them for every engine.  I've been on some of their trailers where they would have 25k sitting there just in carburetors.

Wasn't there to hear the conversation, but I can tell you that some businesses are so busy they don't want any more business or sometimes they can tell by just talking to a person on the phone they may not have the background or knowledge to even attempt such a build.  So what they do is tend to scare the crap out of you or will make you feel like you don't know crap because they don't want the head aches of trying to tech you through setting up the carb on such as system.  Thats totally their decision, not saying its the right one, or the right way to treat people, but its their business and they can run it as they see fit.  Ultimately what it does is makes you get your feet wet first by building a good high hp street engine and time to learn from the smaller mistakes you may make, vs making a colossal mistake now.

In a way it can be a good thing.  You may question why I say that is because the last thing you want is someone to get so frustraited and turned off with the hobby that they just hang up ole gas pedal.  Which is about where you are at from the sounds of you post.  Personally I don't think you retarded, just green.  You are learning what it takes to build a car and put together a good engine.  I also believe you should make your first build a good street engine, while continuing to educate yourself and save up the money to do your ultimate engine.  You should also subscribe to a couple good magazines.  I would look at Hot Rod, Chevy High, Engine Masters, Super Chevy and car craft.  Plus I would pick up some good engine build books at a book store and do some reading.

Lastly what you need to remember that one engine can't be used for all purposes.  Thats where most people make a mistake.  If your building a supercharged engine, pick the parts to build it for a supercharger.  If its nitrous, pick the parts for a nitrous engine and if its naturally aspirated, pick they parts you need to make the HP you want.

So lets first calm down and get your foot back on the pedal so you can move forward. 

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But also I’m starting to realize that Matt, Ken, and Ben, and Tom are all right. [/QUOTE]

i never said turbo was bad..  ive had a few turbo cars and loved them..  i just contend it is not for the novice to attempt..  it is very difficult to get everything right. and very expensive.

there are too many details that must be perfect..  what matt was saying above about compression is a common problem.  people build a 10.5:1 engine and they try to boost it with turbo or super and wind up having to neuter their induction because the effective compression is too high..  this is a common mistake..

you need to get your car going as is and play for while... you have to crawl before you can walk..  im sure not even Ken was an automotive super genius at 17...

louis

most of those links dont work for me..

i find it easier just to read the name of the part..

but the edelbrock air-gap rpm is going to be a possible problem.

it is too big to fit under a stock hood easily.  youll need to work around this.

also..  make sure the card you buy is sized properly..  dont over do it

the formula is   CFM = disp in ci * max rpm / 3456

so for your car  assuming 355 * 6000 / 3456 = 616 CFM so a 625 carb is fine.

That’s cool and all I talked for an hour to some guy named JIM at summit we were talking about the intakes, and the RPM air gap is too big to fit under the stock hood, we established that, how ever the part number #1406 is a 600CFM carb. But Matt said atmosphicly it should run about 525CFM which then the case for a 6,000 RPM is not applicable. But the Performer EPS that I have to keep because its the best choice for clearance goes up to 5,500 which means 560 is applicable. So my question is does the #1406 carb actually run at 600CFM, or 525CFM? If I add a carb that is 650CFM what’s the performance gain? Little, or non? Or at what point is the engine over-kill?

I'm not saying I want to be a genius of cars at 17, however like I mentioned before my dad worked on all his cars pretty much by himself, and I mean he’s done a '71 camaro, a 6-pack cuda, a 240Z Datsun, a '75, '72, and '78 Vette. I just want to be like my dad. I feel inadequate towards him for my age, I feel as if I don't live up to his standards. I don't want him to think I'm just good at computers, plus I love going out there and getting greasy, and dirty, and know that I accomplished a few more things to make a car that beautiful, and rarely seen car closer to driving again. It gives me a true sense of satisfaction that noting can give me, I may sound like a weirdo, but hey that’s why I broke up with my girlfriend over the Vette. it was either a skirt or the Vette, and I couldn't afford both.

new77guy38413.6940625

Louis, you just need a girl that likes vettes and understands.  Not easy, my wife doesn't.  But June will be 30 years so she's stuck with  me now.  The girl for you is out there.  In the meantime a few pratice runs are not a bad thing.  You can use the entertainment.

Don't put your self down.  You know as much or more than most 17 year olds.  It takes time and experience to learn.  Your dad didn't know all that at 17 either.  You are quite the opposite of a "tard".  You have a drive and desire.  You are asking question, researching, and learning.  You have goal, even though it needs defiined a bit more.  And that comes with education and experience.  You have a car, a project, a car, and a purpose. You are doing fine.  In fact it seems to me, better than most 17year olds I know. Hang in there.

And there is nothing wrong with Turbos, it's just the application and purpose. Sometimes they are good, sometimes not.  It comes back to that goal thing.  I do think you are a bit overwhelmed, and are shooting for a bit too much for your first build.  But I sure won't tell you not to do that.  Just be realistic in your goals.  You can always do more later.  It comes back to the goal and the education, and what you really want to do with the car.

Hang in there Louis.

Louis, I was very green when I attempted to do my first mechanical project when I was 16-17 years old. I bought a 1979 mercury cougar with a 351 winsor in it for $600. I was going to make it a "sleeper." I never was concerned about the thing weighing almost 5000 lbs and having like 7.5 to 1 compression, or that the motor was in bad shape to start. I thought I could just bolt on a big 750 cfm holley and a weiand intake and some headers and I'll be doing 11's in the quarter mile! Well alot of wasted money and big mistakes made me learn alot about cars and performance. I could have avoided alot of the mistakes if I listened to people or had a forum like this back then. Keep your chin up and think of it as educational! Just think of how awesome it will be when your skills and knowlege catches up with your ambition and imagination.Tumarr38413.6872685185

yeah bud, you know more than I did at 17....I bought my first vette when I was 19 years old, I'm 20 in a month, and in this year in between, I've busted my rear end to learn about cars so I can fit in more with my friends...I've got a friend with all the tools he needs in his garage, and he's got a 65 mustang that he's making a custom twin turbo setup for, and a Fairlane that he's going to rebuild a 460 ci for, put that in, and put a turbocharger on the 460.  BEASTLY.

it's a hard road, man...imagine my embarassment when we pop the hood of one of my vettes and a friend goes "oh looks like you might be havin some trouble with this or that" and I don't have a darn clue what he's talking about...hell, up until some months ago I didn't even know where the carb was LOCATED...yeah I was a damn virgin.  I'm doin my best to learn and I think I've learned damn fast.  Anyhow, here's a website one of my friends provided for me that might help you immensely, man.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood-channel.htm

In the meantime, keep doin what you're doin, it's clear that no one here thinks you're "retarded."

And back to the discussion at hand, After Shark, I had no idea the compression was gonna be that high...the 70's running 10.25:1 right now and I acknowledged that even that's too high...I was hoping to drop the compression to about 8:1 before adding any method of forced induction...and now, reinforcing my above statements, I'm not sure how *blushes*

Anyway I was thinking the turbo would be more easily regulated...the Procharger would be an easier setup, running 450 hp, adding the procharger with some boost behind it, and bringing it up to about 650...my only problem is that I don't want to be running 650 all the time, and with a turbo and dual-setting boost controller I can switch from low boost to high boost, adjusting my power as I wanted.  I've thought of the Procharger, and looking at the setup on the C2 vette they display on the site, how the engine bay's nice and clean, I love the way it looks, too.  problem is...I'd be running constant boost...unless I had a shop customize the setup with an electronic clutch so I could flip a switch on the dash and turn the blower on and off...two problems there: would have to go EFI so the engine could differentiate between the different amounts of airflow, and not run too rich or too lean at any given point...and my airflow with the blower off might be restricted...though if I can still get enough flow to reach my goal hp with the blower off and restricting...will it still be a problem?

oh yeah, and Louis...wanna know how I afford two vettes and a rather expensive plan to customize one of them?  I sold my soul to the army.

CorvetteRacer197038413.7432291667