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Needed to be flat-bedded home last night :-(

Posted: 9/4/10 7:24am Message 1 of 8
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*sigh*  been working like a dog for weeks (18-20 hour days with a 3 hour total commute.  Got out early and went for a drive in my 68 last night with the top down, very nice night.  Until she died.

 

Several weeks back I felt a series of clunks and when I lifted the car I could see the rear yoke pulling out of the differential case.  I replaced it a few weeks back and all was fixed but the was seriously out of alignment, so I had it aligned and within a few miles of the alignment it died.

 

I lifted the car this morning and I can see the yoke pulling out again – but obviously its worse, since the gears won’t hook up. I can spin the tire on the passenger side (good side) and see the drive shaft spin in neutral, in gear I can still spin the tire – so I assume the clutch pack is gone.  The drive side (yoke pulling out) I can spin the tire and the drive shaft doesn’t spin – so are the gears shorn away?  I assume its not worth it for me to open up the differential case and I should just bring it to someone who works on C3 rears? 

 

I further assume that the root cause is an alignment issue – and when I had a 4 wheel alignment done it exacerbated the issue and the rear was put under nasty stress that caused all this.   Any comments, suggestions?  Should I open it up and take a peek-see or just flat bed it to a shop.  Once again….*sigh*  




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Posted: 9/4/10 7:25am Message 2 of 8
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But I will say, broken down on the side of the road leaning against my car 8pm last night still beats being at work 6am to 3am !




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Posted: 9/4/10 10:12am Message 3 of 8
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Won't hurt to make a mess on your garage floor go ahead and open it up. Can't do any more damage. maybe a nut just fell offConfused Sorry i'm sure it's more than that.

And by the way "better than work: spoken by a true car guy!
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Posted: 9/4/10 7:34pm Message 4 of 8
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The posi clutches could be completely gone and it wouldn't keep the car from moving...that's not the problem. Sounds like the snap-ring that holds the yoke in either wasn't replaced, or it broke. That would allow the yoke to pull out of the side gear of the diff, and cause the car to not move. Could be that the end of the yoke(where the snap ring goes) snapped off, too. That would usually make a heck of a lot of noise, tho...

I gotta ask...did you replace the snap-rings when you replaced the yokes?



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Posted: 9/4/10 8:19pm Message 5 of 8
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geez that stinks..I had that trip a few months ago when the wheel beaing smoked out on me..CryI think some one calls it a labor of love but sometimes it would be nice if they would just give us a break!  I am sure everything can be fixed easy enough..sounds like a snap ring or at worse a yoke..Ouch
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Posted: 9/5/10 5:19am Message 6 of 8
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That blows doo doo John. Hard to say what the extent of the damage is without tearing the diff down, but my thought was the same as Joel's with the c-clips. The one thing I would say is that the wheels would have to have a pretty extreme case of toe in or toe out in order to pull on the yolks that much. With the spring and strut rods integrated into the mix, it's pretty hard to pull on those puppies to pop those clips unless your doing some serious cornering regularly....

I've done my trailing arms and helped 3 other C3 owners with theirs and can tell you that by and large, they were all seriously out of alignment and in 2 cases (mine being one of them) the rear alignment shims were deteriorated and gone. With this type of shift on the fly rear alignment, these cars were still running with no differential issues...

When you say something was replaced a few weeks back, was it the whole diff being rebuilt?

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Posted: 9/5/10 6:12am Message 7 of 8
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I replaced the snap rings with new ones when I did replaced the yokes.  When the car stopped I heard nothing.  The half shaft is holding the yoke in place, its only pulling out a half inch or so.  With it in the air the tire’s weight permits it to pull out 2.5 inches, the concept of the yoke snapping off would make sense (less the noise) but to be perfectly honest, I rebuilt the engine with Vortek header, RPM airgap, thumper Comp cam and installed hooker sides with glass packs – makes it a little difficult to hear much of anything else especially with the top down.

 

But I can spin the tires and not hear anything.  I am going to call “The Vette Shop” in Warminster, PA and probably flat bed it over to them in order to have the rear fixed professionally.  No need for me to put the work into it twice – fixing what’s broken without fixing the cause is just asking for more headaches.  I hate beyond words not being able to do something myself, but I guess in this case I need to admit this is more than likely beyond the capabilities of my garage (yes, I place the fault with lack of machinery in my garage….not with my learning capabilities !)

 

If the guy aligned the car incorrectly and put too much toe, would the car track straight?  I provided him with the degree’s I got on this web site a few days back – I think someone said the 68 was the same as a 73.  If this was wrong and that cause excessive stress maybe I should open it up myself and see what it looks like.

 

Holiday weekend, gorgeous weather, broken car :-(

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Posted: 9/5/10 8:35am Message 8 of 8
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The alignment would not have been a problem, unless there was just so much pos camber(wheels leaning out at the top) that it pulled too hard on the yokes in turns. The lower struts will hold the t-arms in place on the bottom, but the halfshaft is the only thing on the top side to limit the in/out movement of the yokes in relation to the diff. IF the struts were adjusted out all the way(neg camber), you'd have to dang near roll the car to get the yokes to pull out of the diff.

Too much toe IN or OUT would cause the rear of the car to wander, and not track straight...it would be a mess to handle at speed in a turn. In fact, it might get down right dangerous.

Something just broke in there, would be my opinion, but I don't think the alignment has anything to do with it.

I'll add this, too...
Are you certain the diff is a posi unit? A posi diff, even with a bad yoke, would still allow the car to move, unless the clutches were completely wiped out on both sides. I realize this statement may seem contradictory to my first post here, but it's really not. My first response was that even with the posi clutches gone, the car would still move....assuming, at that point, that the diff/yokes were NOT messed up. The original statement(from crimson) was that the posi unit may be broken, since the car wouldn't move.

However....IF this is an "open" diff(no posi), then a broken/stripped yoke or axle gear would definitely leave you stranded.
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