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I am very close to starting my engine. After reading many posts and threads on oil I have purchased Shell Rotella oil. Now to find the Zinc additive.
NAPA: Nope never heard of it. Regular oil should be fine.
Autozone: Huh??? Zinc??? is that expensive??? Try NAPA.
Advance Auto: Any oil should be OK to start a new engine. We have hand cleaner on sale... want some?? Trudy si selling candy for Cub Scouts, buy one.
Cherry Auto: We don't have zincoil stuff, is that for race cars or motorcycles?? I got some new 2 cycle stuff in want that??
8 pages later on the computer and 6 phone calls I find someone who is competent and has some in stock. Bought 2 bottles, 1 for start up and one for the next oil change.
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Lucas has a brand at jegs http://www.jegs.com/i/Lucas+Oil/639/10063/10002/-1
Do you have a summit store or performance shop near by? try them.
Comp Cams has a brand.
Try where you bought your cam.
When I do my break ins I only use a SAE 30 motor oil...no synth oil until after a good break in though.
When I install the lifters and cam I lube the heck out of everything with Clevite Cam Guard.
GM has and brand for break in, try a GM dealer
Don't forget to prime the motor first! before starting
John
I purchased 2 bottles of Crane Super Lube. I plan on spinning the oil pump to prime the engine.
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Dennis,
You can buy the ZDD plus from Corvette Central fopr $10, it is part #301157.
I have switched to Valvoline's VR-1 oil, it is available at Pep Boys for under $4 a quart. It has over 1300 ppm of zinc (like "old" oils) and needs no additives. It was reccommended to me by my engine bulder for cars with flat tappet cams.
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From a source in the industry comes this little bit of data.info...
"What oil should I be using to break in a new engine?
Ideally you want an oil with low or no detergency, no friction modifiers, be non-synthetic, and high levels of Zn and P, to make it as easy as possible for AW wear films to form on engine parts during this critical process.
Brad-Penn offers a SAE 30 break in oil with .14% Zn and P already in the motor oil which requires no additional additives to protect your vital engine parts during the break-in procedure, especially the cam and valve-train. We recommend running a break-in specific oil for the first 100-200 miles, with a change of oil immediately after initial cam break-in, and again at the 100-200 mile mark. If using this oil while breaking in your engine on a dyno, make sure to observe your oil temperatures and try not to exceed 210F to maintain optimal film strength with the viscosity of oil being used.
Alternatively, Joe Gibbs Racing and CMW Oil both offer specialty break-in oils similar to Brad Penn's Racing 1 Break-in oil. In the UK, Millers Oils offers a line of Classic motor oils including "running-in" oil and classic multi-grade oils for older engines needing additional protection. There are countless other oils that should be satisfactory as long as you follow the above criteria for choosing a break-in oil.
Can I use a diesel oil like Rotella to break in my engine?
Many cam manufacturers have recommended Rotella T in the past for cam break in. Remember, this was the CI-4 Rotella T some manufacturers were recommending, not the new CJ-4 Rotella. Be advised that we do not recommend the continued use of the new CJ-4 Rotella T for cam break-in or any other CJ-4 oil for this purpose. Additionally in support of this position, magazines such as Fleet Equipment, in one such article "Focusing on Oil," stated that CJ-4 oils should only be used in 2007 and later diesel engines and that earlier diesel or mixed fleet engines should remain on CI-4 oils. "
I have been quietly trying to gather some reliable info on this whole zinc/no-zinc/not enough zinc debate for a couple of years. I have found that the BradPenn oil is most likely the best for new engine/flat tappet cam break-in.
I hope to be able to speak with a BradPenn engineer in the next couple of weeks...
The above caution on using the latest formula of diesel oils, CJ-4, is absolutely something to pay attention to. The newer diesel oil formulas do not contain the amount of zinc needed for our older engines. Always LOOK on the jugs/containers to see specifically what specification it is!! The CI-4 is what we want in our cars, if you use the diesel oils!!!
"What oil should I be using to break in a new engine?
Ideally you want an oil with low or no detergency, no friction modifiers, be non-synthetic, and high levels of Zn and P, to make it as easy as possible for AW wear films to form on engine parts during this critical process.
Brad-Penn offers a SAE 30 break in oil with .14% Zn and P already in the motor oil which requires no additional additives to protect your vital engine parts during the break-in procedure, especially the cam and valve-train. We recommend running a break-in specific oil for the first 100-200 miles, with a change of oil immediately after initial cam break-in, and again at the 100-200 mile mark. If using this oil while breaking in your engine on a dyno, make sure to observe your oil temperatures and try not to exceed 210F to maintain optimal film strength with the viscosity of oil being used.
Alternatively, Joe Gibbs Racing and CMW Oil both offer specialty break-in oils similar to Brad Penn's Racing 1 Break-in oil. In the UK, Millers Oils offers a line of Classic motor oils including "running-in" oil and classic multi-grade oils for older engines needing additional protection. There are countless other oils that should be satisfactory as long as you follow the above criteria for choosing a break-in oil.
Can I use a diesel oil like Rotella to break in my engine?
Many cam manufacturers have recommended Rotella T in the past for cam break in. Remember, this was the CI-4 Rotella T some manufacturers were recommending, not the new CJ-4 Rotella. Be advised that we do not recommend the continued use of the new CJ-4 Rotella T for cam break-in or any other CJ-4 oil for this purpose. Additionally in support of this position, magazines such as Fleet Equipment, in one such article "Focusing on Oil," stated that CJ-4 oils should only be used in 2007 and later diesel engines and that earlier diesel or mixed fleet engines should remain on CI-4 oils. "
I have been quietly trying to gather some reliable info on this whole zinc/no-zinc/not enough zinc debate for a couple of years. I have found that the BradPenn oil is most likely the best for new engine/flat tappet cam break-in.
I hope to be able to speak with a BradPenn engineer in the next couple of weeks...
The above caution on using the latest formula of diesel oils, CJ-4, is absolutely something to pay attention to. The newer diesel oil formulas do not contain the amount of zinc needed for our older engines. Always LOOK on the jugs/containers to see specifically what specification it is!! The CI-4 is what we want in our cars, if you use the diesel oils!!!
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