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Re: Borgeson Install

Posted: 10/24/12 4:35pm Message 11 of 16
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Well I have to say I'm impressed with the Borgeson steering box. I noticed right from the get go I don't have to make those "sub conscience" corrections to the steering wheel while cruising.

1: The only issue I'm having is the turn signal does not cancel unless I really turn the wheel farther than I normally used to.

Now I did have the shop disassemble the column to tighten up the bolts on the tilt knuckle and look things over before they did the alignment.

Is there something that was overlooked or put together wrong as where the turn signal won't cancel itself as it did prior to disassembly?

2: The other issue I'm having is the steering column developed a squeak in it after the conversion. It still has a squeak after they disassembled and lubed it.

Any ideas on fixing these issues?

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|UPDATED|10/24/2012 4:35:57 PM (AZT)|/UPDATED|




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Re: Borgeson Install

Posted: 10/24/12 7:39pm Message 12 of 16
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Turn siggys not cancelling could be that they just tightened the 3 screws holding the signal switch in too tight.

A squeaking after the install, and still after disassembling the column...hmmmm....can you tell where in the column the noise is coming from? Top, bottom? Continuous squeak, or only at certain places in the travel? Make any difference if the column is tilted up or down all the way, or pulled all the way in or out?
If I remember right, the only mod you did to the column(for the install) was to collapse the lower shaft up into the upper shaft, to make the column shorter, right? That shouldn't in itself make a noise start.....





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Re: Borgeson Install

Posted: 10/25/12 8:43am Message 13 of 16
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Adams' Apple said: Turn siggys not cancelling could be that they just tightened the 3 screws holding the signal switch in too tight.

A squeaking after the install, and still after disassembling the column...hmmmm....can you tell where in the column the noise is coming from? Top, bottom? Continuous squeak, or only at certain places in the travel? Make any difference if the column is tilted up or down all the way, or pulled all the way in or out?
If I remember right, the only mod you did to the column(for the install) was to collapse the lower shaft up into the upper shaft, to make the column shorter, right? That shouldn't in itself make a noise start.....




Hello Joel,
 Yes the only mod to the column is to collapse it a few inches on itself.  After the install I noticed the squeak. It was still there after the shop torn it down and rebuilt it.
The squeak main happens when a turn to the right. It seems to get louder when I'm nearing the lock of the right turn. 

I will try today to see if it still squeaks with the column in different position and see if it is at the bottom, middle or top when my helper gets home from work.

The turn signal will cancel only after I turn the wheel further than normal. Do you think this could be due to the faster steer ratio? It went from 4 turns to 3 turns lock to lock.

Thanks for helping me out.




GEN III 5.7L "LS6" Engine swap
TKO500 5 spd.
3.54 Dana 44
'69 "N11" Sidepipes
Borgeson Steering Box
Born 8/1981
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Re: Borgeson Install

Posted: 10/25/12 9:43am Message 14 of 16
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The turn sig cancel cam don't know what ratio you have, nor should it matter. The cam is on the steering wheel end, and no matter how many turns lock/lock you have, the actual  steering wheel travel needed to cancel should be the same. Now it's possible that you are just not having to turn the steering wheel as far as before to turn the front wheels the same amount, so that could certainly explain it. So in that case, yeah, it's prolly due to the different ratio gear box.(dam....that train took a LONG time to get to the station, dint it?)LOL

On the noise, you need to figure out WHERE in the column it's coming from. Since the steering shaft runs thru the center of the mastjacket, it shouldn't be a problem with the shaft rubbing on the firewall pass-thru or anything. I've seen that before, and it only required unbolting the lower column and shifting it around a bit. On yours tho....Idano....unless some of the nylon/plastic "weld" from between the two shafts broke loose, and is rubbing on something, but that should all be on the outside of the cabin...not inside. Weird....
Ya might try loosening the upper column bolts just a little, and see if the noise goes away...maybe the column is in some sort of a slight bind, and just needs to be relieved....
Just throwing idears out there....Big smile
 




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Re: Borgeson Install

Posted: 10/25/12 10:38am Message 15 of 16
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Re: Borgeson Install

Posted: 10/26/12 8:35am Message 16 of 16
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I think Dave is on to something there. LOL

Thanks for the feedback Joel. Now yesterday it hardly even squeaked when I was driving it. Weird. This is when I don't like old cars.
Well unfortunately I had to make a last minute decision and put the car away yesterday for the winter. The weather is starting to turn. Lots of rain for the whole week, cold temps and maybe some snow. Unhappy
So I will have to chase this problem down at a later date.

I was thinking of rotating the steering shaft 180 degrees and clock the steering wheel back and see if that makes a difference on the turn signal issue.
Do you think that may help the issue?

Thanks again! Thumbs Up




GEN III 5.7L "LS6" Engine swap
TKO500 5 spd.
3.54 Dana 44
'69 "N11" Sidepipes
Borgeson Steering Box
Born 8/1981
Sequence #3975




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