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Fuel pump on ’78 C3 350?? (1/31)
 4/20/05 4:45pm
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Anyone out there ever put a fuel pump on a C3 small block? I just got started, pulled the fuel lines off then tried to get to the attachment bolts with a box end micro ratchet and got to thinking. If I ever get this thing out, how am I going to get my hands up in there to start the bolts when I replace the thing?? The GM shop manual says basicly "take the old one off and replace with a new one".... big help!

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 4/20/05 7:11pm
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If you use a 3/8 extention and socket you can sort of guidle the bolts in place.  A bit of good dexterity and you can get them started.  You can reach in there to do this, but you may need to try from several different approach angles.  It's really not that bad.

Just be sure to see the fuel pump push rod is in the up position.  If it's down you won't get the pump lined up and the bolts started.  You can turn the engine by hand and lift on the push rod at the same time to be sure it is up.  To keep it there, there is a bolt in the front of the block that can be removed, and a longer bolt installed finger tight to hold the rod in place.

If it drops and you can't lift it, just take the remaining two bolts off the plate the pump bolts to, and remove the plate.  Then you can access the rod.  It may fall out.  If you don't want to use the bolt to hold it, if you took it out you can coat it with wheel bearing grease and stick it back in place.  That will usually hold it up.  When you put the plate back, be sure to start the fuel pump bolts, without the pump, to know the plate is lined up when you tighten the bottom plate bolts, or you may stop yourself from getting the bolts started.

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 4/21/05 5:31am
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I just replaced my fuel pump in my 78,last weekend,the easiest way to get at the bolts for the pump is;remove the wheel,there is an opening were the brake line comes frome the top of the frame to the rubber brake hose,the opening is more than wide enough ,if you look through the opening,you will see the pump right there in front of you ,I used 2 ,6 inch extensions, piece of cake.the thing I had the hardest time with was,breaking loose the nut on the pump where the fuel line attaches,you need 2 wrenches 1 to hold the pump fitting and a flare nut wrench for the line nut,use a liberal amount of PB Blaster and let it soak for a while.I took off the flat plate afterwards and took the pump rod out and greased it and put it back in ,it will stay up for a while.I bumped the engine over with the starter until the rod was in the up position,I have A.C. and a free wheeling fan so I couldn't use the fan blade to turn the motor over by hand.as long as you have the steel line off and the fuel drained out,it's a good time to take the other end of the line at the carb off and change the fuel filter .I got my fuel pump and filter at ADVANCE AUTO $27.00 plus tax and about 2 hours install time,it won't take you that long if everything goes smoothly,but it is a 26 year old car,and nothing ever goes that way,good luck ,any problems ,give a shout



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 4/21/05 8:56am
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OK.... Thanks fellers....you guys just said some magic words, "take the wheel off".... Why didn't I think of that. I did get the fuel lines off, car was up on a lift and overhead, got gassy armpits, burns like hell, but it wasn't the first time.

I'm not even certain the fuel pump is bad, but in a lazy moment last year when I was dropping the ZZ-4 in I reused the old fuel pump rather than making the 20 mile round trip to Advance right around their closing time. REALLY bad brain-fart, should have waited another day.....

Occaisionally when I shower down on it, it seems to momentarily run out of gas for a few seconds then pick back up. I changed out the fuel filter, which helped, but the problem still persists. Might be the Q-Jet. I have the choke plate cranked tightly open, so I don't think it is slamming shut under high air flow.

I'm driving the old rod to Panama City next week and planned to replace the fuel pump as cheap insurance. I'll dig back into it this weekend.

Thanks again!

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 4/21/05 11:49am
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That sounds like the acellerator pump in the carb.  With the engine off look down past the choke plates.  At a moderate speed, fully open the throttle. You should see two continous jets of fuel shoot into the carb.  If not, repair the acellerator pump.  How?  Look at

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 4/21/05 3:23pm
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Ken,

Great piece on Q-Jets. I put the site in in my "Favorites" for when I dig into mine. It seems to be doing well now though. Mine is the 800 CFM Q-Jet from the L-82.

I was a little unclear on my problem. When I "run out of gas" the acccelerator pump has already done it's job. It comes out of the hole like a bullet strong as lye soap all thru the 1 - 2 shift then just B4 of after the 2 - 3 shift, it dies MOMENTARILY then picks back up if I stay in it. No problem at all just off-idle. It COULD have possibly been the choke plate slamming shut momentarily under the continued high airflow then opening back up again as the flow died down. I have not really showered down on it since I tightened the choke plate up.

Problem is, it just started doing it a couple of weeks or so ago and I did not notice it between last Sept., when I got the thing back together till recently, the choke plate tension was the same, leading me to the pain-in-the-butt fuel pump.

Under sane driving, no problem, only WOT high RPM incidence. Problem is it's hard to drive sane in that thing and I can just see it embarassingly happening when a Mustang GT or Cobra or Z-28 is next to me leaving the light!! (or driving down I-65 South in Alabama).

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 4/21/05 6:18pm
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You may want to check the spring tension on the secondary air flap.  That will do just what you describe.  If it's set a bit weak, the car will acell good in the primaries, then bog as the secondaries open.  You may also want to check the vacuum pulloffs.  If one of these is leaking, it will do the same thing.
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 4/21/05 8:03pm
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Ken,

I've been jacking around with the secondary air flap tension for the past several weeks and if anything, it might be a tad tight, but I think I have it about right, there is minimal, if any, bog when the secs kick in. When I started the tension was light and boggy, I'm maybe 1/4 turn, maybe more, past the initial adjustment which is a bunch, I quit counting 10 degree turns in March. As far as I know, the carb has not been kitted or rebuilt. All I did was clean it with "Scrubbing Bubbles", one helluva external carb cleaner. Is the function of the vacuum pull offs discussed in your Q-Jet piece? I just scanned it for a few minutes and saw them mentioned, but not in detail.

My intermittant problem crops up when the secs are wide open in major roaring gas-sucking mode, then dies for a couple of seconds before picking back up again, almost as if the bowls are dry and waiting for food and beer.

I don't file for Social Security 'till October and am kinda pressed for time b4 I head for FL. Once there, we head back up to Ozark, AL, hook up with the locals for a cruise with their bunch back down to Panama City. I just KNOW there are going to be a few races on the way back and want to be prepared! I think I can dust about any C4, maybe even a C5 in the 1/8th with my 3:55 gear vs their 2:59s, if those C5 wimps would ever hit the strip.

I don't want to have to jack it up in Elba, pull the wheel and fix the fuel pump on the road. As a 1943 model, I've done it before, but was a whole lot more flexible and less fat then.

BTW.... I really like the Q-Jet on this setup. 15, maybe more, MPG hwy. under my overweight right foot.

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 4/22/05 7:07am
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The front vacuum pulloff is the primary.  If you have a rear one, it's the secondary.  

The primary is used to open the choke a small amount at startup to prevent it from running too rich until the choke coil starts to open the choke place.  The secondary can do the same thing,  but it's staged.

Both of these have an additional function.  When retracted and fully pulled in by vacuum, the secondaries won't open.  As manifold vacuum drops, the secondaries are allowed to open.  This is not controlling by the secondaries plates, but the air flaps.  If one of these pulloffs is failed, the car can bog.

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 7/23/06 6:46pm
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How much impact will fuel pressure have?  Most postings about bog include suggestions to check fuel pump pressure to be in the range of 4 to 6 psi.  I also have an Advanced Auto fuel pump that pumps a volume of 12 oz of fuel in 30 sec at 4 to 6 psi.  However, the shop manual and Chiltons says my 78 should have 7.5 to 9 psi.  I'm working on a bog problem at acceleration and feel it must be a fuel starvation problem. 

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 7/24/06 4:46am
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Also, are there other design features in the fuel delivery system that affect pressure?  Is there a check valve or something else that diverts excess fuel being pumped back to the fuel tank when the carb does not need it?
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 7/24/06 5:30am
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Wil,

I don't think fuel pressure has much to do with a bog on a carbureted ride. When the carb bowl is full a float connected to a needle valve shuts off fuel flow from the pump.

I ended up sending my Q-Jet off to The Quad Shop in Rockford, IL for a total rebuild, 2 months and $345.00 later, It ran like a champ, still does......

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 7/24/06 9:44am
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Just got back from Advanced Auto doing some research.  Turns out each fuel pump is factory set for a specific pressure setting.  Mallory has one for 78's at 6-8 psi. and Holley has one for 78's set at 14 psi.  I believe mine is set for 4-6, which is too low.  For $65 I think I'll try the Mallory and hope that a little extra pressure will fill the bowl quicker.  If not, then more work on the carb.  Thanks, Wil.

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 7/24/06 10:50am
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Wil,

You are about to piss away $65.00.... Then another $40.00 or more for a regulator to drop the pressure back down. Fuel pressure does not affect a carbureted mill. Higher pressure may turn into flooding.... and it's a pain-in-the-butt to replace the fuel pump.

Voice of experience.... I am running a regulated 3 - 4 psi fuel pressure to my Q-jet and no problems.

Look at Ken's post above then look into the acellerator pump on the carb first.

You didn't say what carb you are running.... I know an Edelbrook carb will bog if it has a spacer plate below it, may be true for a Q-Jet also.

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 7/24/06 8:52pm
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Quadrapukes don't like much fuel pressure. 4-6lbs is about right. Pressure is not a big issue here, but, volume is. If the float bowl is running out on hard accelleration(assuming the float level is correct), you should be looking for a restriction in the fuel delivery area. Kinked/collapsed rubber lines are common, and don't forget the "sock" filter in the fuel tank.
I have, in the past, run across a few cams that were badly worn on the fuel pump lobe, which creates a scenario of the pump not being fully compressed. It is not something that you would ever consider in the normal course of diagnostics, but it does happen. In this case, it will allow the pump to provide an normal pressure, but almost no volume once the float drops on a hard accell.

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 7/25/06 4:42am
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Thanks Dave and Joel, your comments are helpful.

Last night I did another test, I think Ken suggested this.  Put a tee and pressure gage in the fuel line between the pump and the Q-jet.  At idle I have 3 to 4 psi.  While driving at low rpm the pressure drops to about 1 psi.  At acceleration the pressure continues to drop to less than 1 psi then as low as 0 and then the engine bogs.  Now I'm back to "look for a restriction in the fuel delivery".  Can the metering unit, pick up and screen be removed from the fuel tank without removing the tank?  Is there a way to check and/or clean the "sock filter" / screen in place?  I think Dave is right, I need to do some more work before changing the pump.  Thanks, Wil

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Wil, if your '78 does not have the sending unit/pick-up in the bottom of the fuel tank, you will need to remove the tank to get the sending unit, with the "sock" filter out.
If the unit is in the bottom of the tank, it is fairly easy to remove.
Make sure there is very little/no fuel in the tank, first. Siphon as much as you can out. The unit is held in by a retaining ring that screws on. It has three/four "tabs" you can use to gently tap the ring, in a counterclock-wise direction. This will release the sender from the tank. (Remove the fuel lines first.)
Once you have the ring off, you can carefully manuver the unit out of the tank. The filter is on the end of the pick-up tube. Carefully twist the filter off, and replace. Then re-assemble the unit into the tank, fill with fuel, and enjoy.

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Wil,

Then again there's always the chance you got a bum fuel pump from Advance..... This same thing happened to me with my '78 a few years ago,,, and I fixed it... but can't remember what I did and how.... but I know I didn't have to drop the tank. This senility sucks!!!

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Well last night I did more fuel line delivery tests with a pressure gage between the pump and Q-jet.

1) 5.75 psi at idle, warmed up, both with gas cap in place and with it removed.

2) Took the supply line off at the pump and installed a temporary fuel line from a clean 5 gal gas container to the fuel pump.  Now the pump is up to 8 psi at idle, warmed up.  Nice. Clap  I think this means Dave is right and the pump is not the problem.

3) I siphoned a gal of gas out of my fuel tank off the bottom to see if I would pick up any dirt or debris.  Put it thru a coffee filter and there is no dirt, just clean gas.  So I don't think the tank is loaded with rust or debris.  Also, I never find anything in the filter on the carb.  Is it possible that the pick up line is moving and pulling air?

4) I put some compressed air on the supply line pushing back toward the tank in hopes of pushing any clogs off the "sock" filter.  Reattach the supply line and now have 6 psi.

5) Test Drive.  Fuel pressure now responds correctly to RPM.  As RPM goes up the fuel pressure goes up from min of 6 to a max of 8 psi.  Sweet, no Bog.  It's gone. Clap

6) Another test drive just for the fun of it.  No bog.

7) Next move is to get into the tank, replace the pick up filter and make sure the tank is clean.

 

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Sounds like you are on the right track, Wil!
There doesn't have to be any trash in the tank to stop up the filter there. Over time, fuel deposits will accumulate there, and turn to muck. I'll bet a new pick-up fliter will solve your problem.

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Congrats on the fix. I was going to suggest the compressed air back-blast, but it seemed a little extreme. Glad it worked out.

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I'll be satisfied when I have that pick up strainer in my hand.  Unfortunately, as a novice mechanic, every small project is a first time that turns into a big project.  My goal is to clean or replace a $15 fuel stainer.  After about 6 hours this weekend (I'm slow), I have the spare tire and carrier removed, the exhaust from the CAT back is removed.  The gas door and rubber boot are removed.  Next piece is the tank.  I have to make a special socket tool to remove the tank rail bolts.  The head of those bolts are in a frame channel and difficult to prevent from turning.  etc, etc, etc.  You have to love it.
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Let us know how it works out since I am sure I will have to do the same in the future......
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Sorry I havent been on for a while.  Sounds like you found it.

But just one more thing.  Not only can the tank filter (sock) cause this, so can a small air leak in the line fairly high up on or near the tank.  It drops volume due to sucking air instead of fuel, but won't show a leak due to the higher location.

Also you need to watch for neoprene (rubber) hose.  A short section is fine, but longer sections can sometimes collaspe under high flow, and cut off the supply.

Neither of these seem to be any part of your problem, but I wanted to throw it in there for others who may have the same symptom.

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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]Sounds like you are on the right track, Wil!
There doesn't have to be any trash in the tank to stop up the filter there. Over time, fuel deposits will accumulate there, and turn to muck. I'll bet a new pick-up fliter will solve your problem. [/QUOTE]

another problem ive seen is collapsing lines..  an old worn out section of rubber line will collapse internally under suction..  looks fine from the outside.

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The tank is now on my garage floor.  The strainer has what appears to be red rust clogging it.  My tank, with original build sheet on it, has an internal bladder.  The bladder has large cracks at both ends.  That is probably how the rust started showing up.  I assume there is no way to repair the bladder.  I'm having trouble finding a replacement fuel tank for the 78.  The hard decision is; I would like to keep as many original parts as possible but I don't want to pull the tank in the future if something fails.  So do I replace parts or not?  Metering unit looks good, it just has old rubber and a film of rust.  The tank does not leak but with cracks in the bladder it may not last long.  Fuel lines look ok except the soft connection lines that must be replaced.  My goal is to keep it as a reliable cruiser.  We just enjoy taking it out for rides.

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From what I have found... you are likely going to have to live with the old tank. I have not found a source for the '78 - '81 tanks. The aftermarket appears to quit after 1977. There is a tank sealer goop that does a pretty good temporary patch job but it doesn't work on bladdered tanks.

How much of a pain was it to drop the tank?? I am probably next in line with my '78.

Dave
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Fuel pump on ’78 C3 350?? (28/31)
 8/10/06 10:23am
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You are right, no 78 fuel tanks to be found, so I'm planning to clean and reuse for now.  At the time I pulled the tank it seemed hard but now that the tank is out it seems easy.  Here are some of the leasons learned. 

The books say remove fuel lines to the metering unit before dropping the tank.  However, there is limited access to the lines.  So, what I did was drop the tank about 4 inches and then cut the rubber connection lines.  They are short, inexpensive and easy to replace after the tank is out.

The tank support rail is held in place with two bolts at each end.  The bolt heads are inside the frame rail and difficult to prevent from turning while loosening the nuts.  I made a tool with a socket, a piece of 3/8 key stock 3/4 inch long, a flat sheet metal wrench (dog) and some duct tape to hold it together (don't drop your socket inside the frame or else say good bye to it).  You'll understand when you see the small access hole on the side of the frame.

There is a fuel line clip inside the rear fender well on top of the frame member.  You can not see it, but removing it allows some flex in the fuel line during removal. 

Common sense, hydraulic jacks, patients and plenty of liquid wrench will take care of the rest.

 

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 8/10/06 2:22pm
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Wil,

Thanks for the tips. I feel certain my '78 SA is next with over 140,000 miles on the body...

Dave
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 8/15/06 4:35am
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  Thanks for all the help.  My bog problem is gone.  Two days of test drives and no more problem.

It was the strainer on the metering unit.  I cleaned the tank and replaced the entire metering unit (with a new strainer) while it was out. Problem solved.

Thanks again for all the help. 

Wil

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 8/15/06 5:03am
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Good job, Wil!!

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