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Carb vs. Fuel injected

Posted: 2/29/08 11:44am Message 1 of 11
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This came up from some Bull s*** at work we was doing the other day, my friend is wanting to build a camaro up for his wife.

The question or preference was what would be the ideal setup for a "mild" 300 + HP engine, carb or injected? I was kind of leaning toward injected given fuel economy is becoming a pretty big factor lately. Just curious what yall had to say about it. Keep in mind this would be a a little sunday driver for his wife so she's probably not looking to run a sub 10 qtr mile Wink  



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Posted: 2/29/08 12:24pm Message 2 of 11
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One one of my cars (not a Vette) went through a complete reconstruction and I had a GM Performance 350HO crate engine installed with Edelbrock EFI added rather than another carburetor.  I'm glad I did, even if it was a good bit more expensive.  The instant starting, smooth power and responsiveness makes me happy I did.

I know a good carbureted setup can make as much, if not more power, but fuel injection is the way to go, especially if you plan on driving the car more than occasionally.

Gasoline today is blended for injected engines as well...it evaporates quickly from the bowl of a carburetor and cranking is necessary before it fires and runs in many cases. 

Yes, EFI is more expensive up front.  Both EFI and carburetors can be tuned to deliver tremendous power, but in the end, EFI is the superior system.  You won't get "rush" like when a four barrel carb's secondaries open up, but EFI will run better.



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Posted: 2/29/08 1:25pm Message 3 of 11
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sunday driver ? one way to go... A BIG CARB... a Holley double pumper !! LOLLOLLOL

a engine is not worth looking at if no carb Approve... sorry, that computer stuff makes it only more difficult , and better to hide under a plastic cover Unhappy

no more screws to mess with...no more jets to change ....no more fun Thumbs%20Up

OK , if MPG counts....




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Posted: 2/29/08 3:26pm Message 4 of 11
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If money is not a concern than inject. Easy starting, correct fuel ratio when using a closed loop system. Which makes a huge difference if traveling to high altitudes. Just ask the gang that took a drive around Lake Tahoe. Talk about a bunch of rich running vettes in a long line. All most got gassed out Dead by being behind Larry on the driveLOL


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Posted: 2/29/08 5:38pm Message 5 of 11
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The only reason to use a carb any more is cost or because you like that sound of four barrels opening (and wasting gas).  Any closed loop injection system will be so much nicer for every day driving. 

And there are systems that can make as much horsepower as a carb.  Warren Johnson (Mr. Horsepower of Pro-Stock drag racing) says he wishes they were allowed to use EFI.


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Hey Glen, what's that you say, Larry (1BadLT1) had GAS???  Dead
 
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Posted: 3/1/08 6:33pm Message 7 of 11
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Does the EFI require a computer (and all the output sensors) to control it?


 
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Posted: 3/1/08 6:39pm Message 8 of 11
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Yes it does.  It needs an oxygen sensor, and depending if the system is air flow or speed/density controlled, a couple of different other sensors as well.  There's also an ECU which has to be located somewhere away from the engine heat and vibration...plus an electric fuel pump of the right pressure to match the injectors.

There's a fair amount there, but it's worth it, though it not's a simple install compared to a carburetor.  Once it's installed and the ECU progammed and dialed in, it's great.  


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Posted: 3/1/08 9:04pm Message 9 of 11
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I seriously considered going injected but I got the carb and intake with my new engine. I know it's more $$ up but I'm wondering what the comparisson would be in the long run fuel economy wise. If you could get decent MPG's and still have a good running rod that'd be pretty cool especailly if it piad for itself with less trips to pump Thumbs%20Up


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Posted: 3/2/08 6:38am Message 10 of 11
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I would like to have EFI but it would take a long time to get the pay back if that is what you are looking for. Same idea as the OD trans. I spent the money for the trans because I had to do something about the bad casting on my TH400 that caused it to leak all the time.
For a daily driver it would make more since because of the amount of gas you use in a year. For a weekend driver, it will be years before you saved enough on gas to pay for itself.
If you have the extra cash and like to make things better then go for it.
 



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