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Coincidences?
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends"of the Clintons.
1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 -Mary Maho ney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. Afew days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas ..
10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He wasreported to have ties to Whitewater.
11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton I n the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mean Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mean Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slai n before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly
43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
44-Steve Willis
45-Robert Williams
46-Conway LeBleu
47-Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT? SURELY YOU JEST !!
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends"of the Clintons.
1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 -Mary Maho ney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. Afew days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas ..
10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He wasreported to have ties to Whitewater.
11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton I n the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mean Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mean Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slai n before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly
43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
44-Steve Willis
45-Robert Williams
46-Conway LeBleu
47-Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT? SURELY YOU JEST !!
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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I remember about the death of Kathy Ferguson. According to the reports I saw, it's uncommon for a woman to commit suicide with a firearm (too messy)...even less so with a shotgun. And even less common for a woman to commit suicide with a shotgun to the back of the head!
I was a Federal officer in the DC area when Vince Foster was found dead. I met a US Park Police officer who was very familiar with the investigation. He did not believe it was a suicide...at least not at that site. He also said they were under a lot of pressure from above to come up with a finding of suicide.
When I went to Secret Service school and when my agency did some joint investigations with Secret Service, a lot of chat went on about things that went on in the White House during the '90s. Some were downright funny, some were pretty disheartening. It never ceases to amaze me how the Clintons continually find people to fall on their swords for them after they've used them and then discard them.
Nobody is perfect, but those two have abused the priviledge...and many still look at them as rock stars. We're in deeper trouble than I want to admit if that's the case.
I was a Federal officer in the DC area when Vince Foster was found dead. I met a US Park Police officer who was very familiar with the investigation. He did not believe it was a suicide...at least not at that site. He also said they were under a lot of pressure from above to come up with a finding of suicide.
When I went to Secret Service school and when my agency did some joint investigations with Secret Service, a lot of chat went on about things that went on in the White House during the '90s. Some were downright funny, some were pretty disheartening. It never ceases to amaze me how the Clintons continually find people to fall on their swords for them after they've used them and then discard them.
Nobody is perfect, but those two have abused the priviledge...and many still look at them as rock stars. We're in deeper trouble than I want to admit if that's the case.
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Amazing coincidence, eh?? 
Kinda makes you go 'hummmmm!' 
Think about this, even you Friends of Law Enforcement, how many personal acquintences (less your LE or soldier friends) do you personally know who have perished under similar and/or questionable circumstances? Can't you list them on one hand???
Kinda makes you go 'hummmmm!' Think about this, even you Friends of Law Enforcement, how many personal acquintences (less your LE or soldier friends) do you personally know who have perished under similar and/or questionable circumstances? Can't you list them on one hand???
As my Doc said, if it hurts when you do that, then don't do that! Ain't no way a Clinton will ever get my vote.
[QUOTE=warbird] ... http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp [/QUOTE]
Norsky 2007-03-26 10:27:29
I'm not going to debate the politics but the Snopes link you provided considers the list to be false.
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Jim!! You mean you want ME to take my own medicine??! Gotta come clean -- I snapped up the bait and then a member of my Norwegian Brotherhood 'snoped me.' 
Kudos, Bro!
Kudos, Bro!
So, since the doctor didn't follow his own prescription, I also had to check it out. You were 100% right! (You'd think I'd get tired of saying that, but I get lots of practice at home!) While I surely won't go into the politics either (far be it for me to do such a thing), one sometimes has to take even the Snopes research with a grain of salt. (Let me get this right, when in doubt, check out Snopes, but if you don't like it, fagettaboutit!). 
It's possible that Snopes didn't get it right either.
It's possible that Snopes didn't get it right either.Not having done the research myself, I still can't help but think that if even HALF the folks on the list Warbird posted were "coincidental" (and I only mean the high-rollers, not his 8th Grade civics teacher), then there might be something to this. Regardless of your political persuasion, you still hafta admit that power (any power) corrupts and such misconduct might be possible. It certainly provides some fun, eh? 
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[QUOTE=Norsky] [QUOTE=warbird] ... http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp [/QUOTE]
No debate, but point made. This e-mail has circulated for quite some time now. Although it may not be true the damage is swaying the public to believe.
Hat's off to you Jim for investigating the truth. Many folks wouldn't take the time. Although I can't say I particular am found of our former president Clinton's scandlous antics and I don't share his brides viewpoints, political choices should be based on truth, merit, ability, and integrity. IMO..... (That and .75 will get ya a cup of coffee in most places)
Tuxblacray 2007-03-26 11:51:21
I'm not going to debate the politics but the Snopes link you provided considers the list to be false.
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No debate, but point made. This e-mail has circulated for quite some time now. Although it may not be true the damage is swaying the public to believe.
Hat's off to you Jim for investigating the truth. Many folks wouldn't take the time. Although I can't say I particular am found of our former president Clinton's scandlous antics and I don't share his brides viewpoints, political choices should be based on truth, merit, ability, and integrity. IMO..... (That and .75 will get ya a cup of coffee in most places)
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Politics and my feelings about the Slickster (Mr. and Mrs.), all Presidents take the blame or credit for the good and bad that occurs during their administrations, whether deserved or not.
What can happen is underlings who try and do something for their bosses, with or without authorization, legal and otherwise, to help the President, or ingratiate themselves to superiors, and often this comes back to kick them in the butt. Sometimes nothing is specifically said, but a wink and a nod is all is takes to start things going and the President can say he never authorized it. Ultimately, the guy on top is responsible, since it's his administration. He just may not have known about any of it until it hits the fan. Then the cover up starts which places him in the middle of it, or he tosses the screwup overboard, whereupon he is vilified as not being loyal to his people or sacrificing them for his own survival.
Politics is a dirty game and is definitely a contact sport.
All that being said...during the '90s dirty politics was brought to a new high (or low depending on your point of view) by that administration. From friends in the Secret Service and other agencies I've learned too much about what went on that's never been made public. Let's just say I'm happy the clowns are out of the White House and hopefully forever.
I'm off my soapbox. Politics gets me really aggravated and that's bad for my attitude and health.
Let's get back to talking about Corvettes.
What can happen is underlings who try and do something for their bosses, with or without authorization, legal and otherwise, to help the President, or ingratiate themselves to superiors, and often this comes back to kick them in the butt. Sometimes nothing is specifically said, but a wink and a nod is all is takes to start things going and the President can say he never authorized it. Ultimately, the guy on top is responsible, since it's his administration. He just may not have known about any of it until it hits the fan. Then the cover up starts which places him in the middle of it, or he tosses the screwup overboard, whereupon he is vilified as not being loyal to his people or sacrificing them for his own survival.
Politics is a dirty game and is definitely a contact sport.
All that being said...during the '90s dirty politics was brought to a new high (or low depending on your point of view) by that administration. From friends in the Secret Service and other agencies I've learned too much about what went on that's never been made public. Let's just say I'm happy the clowns are out of the White House and hopefully forever.
I'm off my soapbox. Politics gets me really aggravated and that's bad for my attitude and health.
Let's get back to talking about Corvettes.
Since the posting was sent to me and it included the snopes link, I assumed it was already verified and didn't bother to check.
With that being said, Sundevil made a good point I take what snopes verifies with a grain of salt. Who does Snopes contact to verify how accurate any information is. The posting never claims the Clintons ordered or had anything to do with anyones death, only what the title implies, coinsidence.
With that being said, a few facts remain the same, a lot of people did die under questionable circumstances.
The Clintons are Elitist Socialist border line Communist who would love to see themselves has King & Queen of the world (think UN)
And finally, there are those few out there who are in the loop, and know a great deal more than the general population will ever be privy to.
Whatever you believe in is fine, it's all relative & moot. The damage is done and the way things are going it's probably going to get worse.
I need to go for a nice long ride T-tops off, with the wind blowing through my eyebrows and forget about politics
I got a kick out of the decapatation, natural causes 
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I'm surprised they did not call the stabbing (113 times) a suicide
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I could not have said it any better. I think "border line" is going a little easy on them though.
Iran is all the closer to getting nukes thanks to Clintons
sucking with China for his own personal selfish gains.
If he and her, co-presidents as I recall, would sell out their own country, then what would stop them from putting a few people away that might gum up the works for them.
God help us if that woman gets in.
Hey, I heard that she goes standing up.
The Clintons are Elitist Socialist border line
Communist who would love to see themselves has King & Queen of the
world (think UN)
[/QUOTE]I could not have said it any better. I think "border line" is going a little easy on them though.
Iran is all the closer to getting nukes thanks to Clintons
sucking with China for his own personal selfish gains. If he and her, co-presidents as I recall, would sell out their own country, then what would stop them from putting a few people away that might gum up the works for them.
God help us if that woman gets in.
Hey, I heard that she goes standing up.
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