Your gonna need to build more jails then. Lots more.

In the past we had people work on the farm who turned out to be illegal. What makes you think they didnt pay taxes? I know they did we sent them in.

We have down sized to the point we do all our own work now.

But for most farmers they are the ONLY folks who will work.

So you want to lock up most AMERICAN farmer eh?


I hope your as against dads who dont pay child support. How much burden do they put on the system? jt's732008-09-13 18:21:51

John please don't take offense to my post. It is a statement and not directed at you.

I doubt that our government is going to take a huge stand against those that are illegal in our country. Nor do I believe more jails would be a rational answer.

I do believe however that we should abide by the laws of this country or we should lobby to have them changed accordingly.

If that means deporting someone who is not a citizen or arresting the folks hiring them then my answer is yes.

By not doing anything we are doing something. We are sending a clear message that we the people of the USA are out of control and cannot even follow the rules that we have designed.

Unfortunately this seems to be the case and it has a definite domino effect on our economy and quality of life as a nation not just as individuals.

As I originally said I have no problem with those who are here legally and pay taxes.

Very few folks that I know have a true American heritage that can be traced back to the Indians. Most of our heritage is from elsewhere. Mine is from Germany and my grandparents came to this country seeking a better life. They worked hard, learned to speak the English language, and became American citizens.

To this day I work hard and do not believe in the stereotype that you elude to that there are few American folks left willing to do so. I do know how difficult it is to find good workers and it is a tough process and can be very aggravating. But it can and is done everyday. It is part of the headache of operating a business.

And yes, I do feel the same about folks (both gender) that don't pay child support. I can't answer how much of a burden they are on the taxpayer. I do know that they are another part of many of the ongoing problems we as a nation are faced with.

I do believe they should be arrested if found. Their wages should be garnished if they have any, or put them to work for the state cleaning highways, painting curbs & hydrants, or sell them the work release bracelet and let them work in the fields.

Do we do any of the latter? Nope not in my state but in some states the answer is yes. Those states should be role models for the others.

I hope this makes more sense, if not I apologize it is just my viewpoint. Maybe I should drop down these rose colored glasses and join the rest of the world on the porch and just watch life go by without a stance. Naw, that wouldn't be fair to me or my grandparents now would it?

No problem Tux.
In my opinion there needs to be a better system for SOME of these folks to BE a citizen. I know of some who have spent 10 years to become one.

I would challenge you to put togather a crew of 10-15 white guys to work the ag fields. Take them to so cal and then go pick apples. Please, just try.
Now unless you are willing to pay double for your produce, so the farmer can pay $20 an hour for help, all the produce will need to be grown in Mexico or Chile. So then we import that too? Dont makes sense to me.

Seems that if a fellow can show hes worked here for a few years, paid his taxes and has no criminal record there should be a way we can keep these folks working.
If I could have found ANY white guys who could do much if any manual work I would have hired them. But they aint there, trust me.
That ship left the harbor long ago.

I have been a farmer for 30 years. We have down sized to a 10th of what we had just 2 years ago. Is that what you want to see in the few farms that are still here in this country?
And why is this myth out there that the workers dont pay taxes?  I dont know of any of my friends who have workers that dont pay all the payroll taxes and SS on any of their workers. None of them.
But guess what. From what I here if this gets pushed much further they will have to start paying cash. How is that a good thing?

I have seen how hard it is to keep a farm going in any ag crop.The farmer is the backbone of this dang country and why doesnt ANYBODY ask THEM what they need? This is America?

If you are really against these workers stop eating produce. trust me it only got there because some "illegal" picked it, loaded it and got it to the store you bought it at.

Now back to the dead beat dads. The ex doesnt get any $ so shes got the kids, on welfare, food stamps and free medical.

That sure seems more of a burden than some poor sap working at a job no one else will do.

If ya-all need a bad guy lets start with dead beat dads. We already know where they are.

 

I hear ya and know where you are coming from!I have worked in industrial manufacturing for 30+ years. At one point I hired 90 + folks to be buffing lathe operators. Most of the folks I brought in would last maybe a day sometimes less than a shift. The turnover rate was extremely high and it seemed like it took weeks for it to finally even out. I hired no less than 20 Hispanics.Most of them stuck with it from day one. They had more tenacity for the job it seemed. In talking with them I realized that the driving force within these folks was in most cases family oriented. They either came here seeking employment for the families they brought with them or the ones they left behind. either way they were willing to work for what they valued. T

The ones that brought families are still here today. The others have returned to their homes in Mexico. In my community there have been 4 industries shut down and folks are seeking employment desperately. I see this in other northern manufacturing communities as well. This is due to the greed of business selling out the American worker for cheap labor in the overseas market.

Interestingly enough some of those overseas manufacturers are building large plants here and setting their wages a few dollars above minimum wage This impacts the other business to follow the trend and the quality of life is driven down while the cost of living continues to rise.

To illustrate this I can site Honda Motor Corp who has just built a plant here and had 2000 start up positions. Within a 2 month period they had 6000 online applications from a radius of less than 100 miles to the plants location. Their average pay will be between $10 - 15 an hour.

The latter rate was the low average previously for the community. Current average rate is now $10 dollars an hour which does not meet the cost of living necessary for sustainability of a household for this community.

Indiana has suffered greatly with manufacturing job loss since the opening of the NAFTA floodgates. Like most folks people a creatures of nature and reluctant to pick up and travel across the nation for new employment but in appearance that may be what we need to do (so keep a few jobs open in the fields   ).

I should apologize for what might seem to be a rant but I think now you can see my point in relationship to Indiana as I do with yours. It may be nothing more than demographics but I still believe that breaking the law is not the answer. In fact enforcing it might drive folks to move about a bit to find employment. It seems to be the case for my Hispanic friends who left Jalisco, Mex. to find a better life hear in the states!

What part of illegal do some folks not understand.  Okay, let's make them legal.  Get them to do what they have to do.  Green card, or whatever.  I have no problem with the people, just the illegal part.  Let's fix that.   I don't know how, and I don't have answers, but someone does.