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Non Vette Transmission help please?

Posted: 1/27/08 4:55am Message 1 of 9
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Got a problem with the wife’s Ford Ranger transmission. The truck is an 89, with a V6, 4x4, and 4 speed automatic.

What is happening is that when the motor (and thus the transmission) is cold, be it either because the weather is cold or the truck is just starting, the truck shifts into overdrive without any problems. But, when it gets warmed up, it ever so smoothly shifts out of overdrive and into drive. If it is in drive, and it gets cold again (we went up to the snow in it), it will again shift into overdrive. When it is in overdrive, if I manually shift it down into drive, it does shift down and stays there for the remainder of the trip. I am thinking it is overdrive and not the lock out shifting? The fluid and filter was freshly changed, but it made no difference at all. Is there something that I can fix on it (I am a decent replace it mechanic, not so good at as a rebuilder) or does it need a rebuild? Thanks! Dave.




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Posted: 1/27/08 7:38am Message 2 of 9
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Dave;

Joel will check this at some time today and will have the answer for you or you can PM him so he is sure to see it.



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Posted: 1/27/08 9:04am Message 3 of 9
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Dave, what may be happening, is the end-plugs for the O/D valve in the valve body may be leaking. This would create a leak in the pressure to the valve when the fluid is warm/hot/thin, but not so much when it is cold/thick.
It may also be a bad/leaking solenoid, on the valve body. The solenoid(s) can be changed without removing the vbody.
The '89 should have an A4LD trans...non-electronic, but it does have two solenoids: one for O/D, and one for the lock-up.
A downshift from O/D to third is a big rpm jump, but the lock-up going off is not so much a jump, usually only a couple hundred rpm.


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Posted: 1/27/08 10:40am Message 4 of 9
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Joel is the non-vette transmission problem man LOL
 
 



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Posted: 1/27/08 7:58pm Message 5 of 9
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Joel;
   I know enough mechanics to know that it is a down shift to 3rd, and that I can replace a solenoid, but not the plugs.  Now, my question  is that because this is happening, as you described it, exactly  like a plug leaking in that the fluid is cold (thick) when it happens, vs. warm(thin) when it shifts down.  What is the chance/odds that it would be the solenoid leaking? It seems to me that  if it were the solenoid it would not be as predictible as it is?  The solenoid leak should be more of a time or pressure then a temparture infux?
 
I do understand that this is just an opinion without actually any physical way to examine it, so please don't think i am going to come back against you.  I just want the opinion of someone who knows what happens inside there.  I sure do appericate your input already.  Folks like you are what makes C3VR the best site on the Net :)



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Posted: 1/27/08 9:15pm Message 6 of 9
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Actually, Dave, the chances of it being a bad solenoid is greater than an end-plug leak. We see a ton of A4LD solenoids that fail in several different manners. There are prolly 10 different "up-dated" solenoids for this unit, by different manufacturers. The solenoid is "open" when off, allowing fluid to pass thru. When it is commanded on, it closes, builds up pressure behind it, and this pressure is what strokes the shift valve. If the valve leaks, it can cause a loss of pressure great enough to allow the shift valve to move back to the "rest" position, canceling O/D.

Another thing...you stated that, once it goes into O/D, and you manually put it into 3rd, it will stay in 3rd, regardless of shifter position? Does your truck have an O/D button on the shifter, or does it have the PRND321? You may well have a failing NSS(neutral safety switch) that can cause it to drop out of O/D.


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Posted: 1/27/08 9:52pm Message 7 of 9
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Joel;
  Took it out today, had a rare chance (in So Cal anyways...) to drive it on a hwy through both sNOw and regular freeway driving, kids enjoyed a good ride (its the supercab), and  I can assure you its all temp related shift.
   It does have the prnd321.  While i was in cold country (30-40 degree) if i shifted it down to D, it would stay out of OD until i physcially stopped and let the kids out to play.  Once I was on the freeway home, all the cold time, perfect shift into OD, got lower to warm temp, no OD, back home to cold country, OD even once when i didnt want it (i accelerate shifted it out, and when it should have, it re-entered OD).   My thinking was that time was not a factor in the shifting, because the amounts of time in both temps, as well as accelerations and loads were widely varied and seem to have no difference in shifting.

However, because i know i can do the NSS and also the solenoid, next weekend that its not raining, that gives me a nice project.   Wont be this next weekend, but most likely the following.   Sure appericate the help Joel, i will let you know if those work.  Just to have the chance to save me a couple of thousand $$, your sure a good friend to have Cool



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Posted: 1/27/08 10:23pm Message 8 of 9
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Dave, you may want to have someone check the coolant temp sensor, also. The ECM logic is such that it could cancel O/D if the temp is too cold...or it thinks it is too cold. Yours seems to be working just the opposite!

Also...after sleeping a bit..I realized I told you a lie...
On the A4LD, you cannot remove the solenoids without removing the valvebody...you can on the later, electronic 4R44E/5R55E..which is what I was thinking about when I said that earlier. I'm terribly sorry for the incorrect info on that. I shall now go beat meself even sillier about the head with a wet sparkleplug wire. Adams' Apple2008-01-28 10:40:52


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Posted: 1/28/08 1:09pm Message 9 of 9
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No problem there Joel, your as human as the rest of us, just with a whole heck of a lot more automotive knowledge.  At least i have 2 things i can check/change out before i get there.  I am going to look into that temp sensor first off, it seems so logical.  Then, i am going to do the NSS.  If it aint one of those two, off to the rebuild it goes.  Ronda loves that truck, and I have to admit, it sure has everything you could want on a truck, so investing in rebuilding a trans is worth it.  And, now, thankjs to you, I know somewhat what i am talking about, so a whole lot less chance of being ripped off.  I will make sure they replace the solenoid, even at an extra cost if necessary.

  If we ever do meet up, Joel, you can add me as one more who owes you a steak dinner.



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