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vaccume guage

Posted: 4/3/12 5:09am Message 1 of 10
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Can/will anyone please elaborate on the use of a vaccume guage to set timing and set carb settings?   ALSO, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using regular, 87 or mid grade, 89 octane in our cars with moderate up grades.  THANKS 


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Mark,
I have no answer about the vacuum, but I can tell you what I was told about the gasoline.  Because my '78 would never have been a high dollar car (except to me) I swapped out the engine for a crate ZZ4. Even thought the compression is average, I was advised to run the high level octane.  It will perform just as well on the mid grade, but since I do not drive it that much and the prices difference is 10 cents per gallon, it cost me at the most $1.5 more and I KNOW it will run as good as it can.  I have a C5 for my daily driver.  I live 4.1 miles from work and if I don't drive it anyplace else, I can get by with a fill up ONCE per month.  So again, at 10 cents per gallon more, the difference is small compared to what I get.  AND there is a station near my work that claims it is pure gas, NO ethanol!
 



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Posted: 4/3/12 9:59am Message 4 of 10
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Any time you are using a vacuum gauge for tuning purposes, you want to make the adjustments to get the highest vacuum reading you can. Whether adjusting the carb, or the timing, you want the highest steady reading. And remember, every adjustment here will effect an adjustment there, so you have to go back/forth between adjustments until you see no more rise in the vac. reading.
Octane is what helps keep "ping", or detonation in check. The higher the octane, the less chance of ping, and the more timing you can run. The same engine, with the same tune, might ping really bad on regular 87 octane, but not at all on 93 octane, with no changes in timing. Running a lower octane in an engine designed/tuned for high octane requires timing changes, and possibly even sparkle-plug heat range changes. While there are no discernible power increase from running high octane in an engine designed for low octane fuel, doing so does allow you to crank the ignition timing up a wee bit, which can make the engine feel like it's running better overall..


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Re: vaccume guage

Posted: 4/4/12 4:53am Message 5 of 10
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Confused WELL, I followed the rules, hooked the line to the "T" behind the carb on manifold. I have a consistant 18 lbs of vaccume. My problem is the WINDOW for adjustment is soooo wide. The carb screws move a considerable distance before anything happens. As for the timing, it also has a large travel with no movement on the scale of lbs. My timing light is broken, bulb is blown, so I guess I have to go back to a light.  Any other suggestions welcomed.  THANKS


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Posted: 4/4/12 10:15am Message 6 of 10
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Mark, have a read thru Ben's "I HATE timing lights" thread. He also posted a different thread on setting the timing using the vacuum gauge method that it excellent, but I haven't found that one yet. I used to have them bookmarked on my OLD computer. Take a look at this one...it might help some, for now.
Lots of old members on this thread, too...ain't seen/heard from a lot of them in quite some time...Disapprove

http://www.c3vr.com/vrforums/message193108.html#198002



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Posted: 4/9/12 5:14am Message 7 of 10
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Confused   O.K. I'm still in the dark. I have looked at the "Hate Timing lights" thread, still have a problem. Is it possible that I need to change the springs in the distributor? I have a consistant 17-18 lbs, with a very wide window on movement with timing.  What R.P.M. are you using? I am in the 800 range, and still have issues. THANKS


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Posted: 4/9/12 10:00am Message 8 of 10
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Posted: 4/9/12 1:08pm Message 9 of 10
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Ermm  THANKS Joel.  A bottle of Pepto-Bismol and a good nites rest, maybe I can digest some of that info. 


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Posted: 4/9/12 7:43pm Message 10 of 10
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The basic gist of Ben's vacuum method is this: "

set INITIAL timing to the minimum required to get peak MANIFOLD vacuum.  you can turn your initial up further without vacuum increasing...  dont do this. turn it back down until it drops from peak..  then back up to barely reach peak.

this gives you the BEST off idle response."

If you have a worn distributor, or other things going on, you'll need  to tinker some more with it, but...this will get you in the right ball park.
Are you using a timing light? I have a really high dollar dial-back light that I hardly ever bring out anymore. I use Ben's method to set it. I use the light to tell me where it is that I set it, for future reference.
What issues are you having, anyway?



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